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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
There's the quote you were looking for. One example of absolute proof that, in at least that case, you're absolutely wrong. You've ignored it up to now. Care to do it again?
As for the comments about personal attacks, please don't try to goad people into flaming you. Not only does it detract from your argument, but it makes you look both insincere and desperate for attention. We call people that do that "attention whores" or "trolls". Don't be either. The three members you've singled out are all highly thought of here, and they don't deserve your disrespect.
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I am not a troll or a whore in any way shape or form.
I am someone whose lifestyle is being threatened by doctors who are calling for me to be prosecuted for manslaughter should something happen during my Freebirth.
I am not goading anyone about anything. Lots of poo has been flung in my direction the past two days.
I am asking for evidence that medical birth is better. Not personal anecdotes.
Infant mortality rates that are thrown around to disprove homebirth are usually from the height of the Industrial Revolution and compiled at some teaching hospital in a big city, where women were notoriously undernourished and overworked. The fact that they also gave birth in a hospital during that time of no hand washing and no infrastructure in hospital for proper hygiene, also makes the stats suspect. London during the industrial revolution was a very dangerous place to birth a child, yet those stats are often used to compare and contrast the "progress" of medicine the past hundred years.
A powerful personal study is to go look at your own geneological records. Go back two hundred years and just look at your own family. Baby after baby after baby being born. Mothers made it through birth number one and on to birth number sixteen, over and over again. No doctors in sight.
Doctors have been in control of birth in America, especially on the east coast for TWO HUNDRED years, not a hundred, as many people think. To get true stats for birth go look at the geneological records from the families who lived in America during the revolution. During that time it felt like every patriot came from an unusually large family, or went on to father one. What did they know with the lack of doctors, modern hospitals, and no anti-biotics or chemical vaccines in sight that allowed them to give birth to those huge babies. I've read the midwives diaries...those women were consistently birthing eleven pound babies, the midwives tended to be amazed at a thirteen or fourteen pounder, but eleven pounds seemed to be the norm.
When mothers are well nourished, rested, and armed with some good birthing information, they are fully capable of giving birth all by themselves. Most of them, most of the time.
I also asked about economics, emotional, spiritual, and hormonal proof that hospital birth is better.
All you have to do to know that women are not being served in birth is look at the post partum depression rates. Traumatic birth is a huge trigger for depression and anxiety.
Jenny