We participate on a forum, and in a country....where little discussion can take place. Some of us form our opinion under the influence of the context of what is actually happening..... from the quotes reported right from the horses' mouths.....I quote the white house web page quotes often....for that reason.
It's difficult to spin what is actually said and written by the key participants in events......if your intent is to convey the exact opposite of what is happening....
I know why they all do it.....in the tiny, tiny world where this unjust, disrespectful, abuse of authority that is quite possibly another in a series of executive branch obstruction of justice and the investigation of the Plame leak.....<b>is spun as "business as usual"</b>...they do it in lockstep because the ones who still cling to this failed political party and failed presidency, are afraid of confronting their own confidence.
You see it in irate, in ace, and in powerclown...... all posting with such confident pronouncements....backed by....WHAT?
They never tell you. I try to show where I got the confidence to post what I post, almost always. Most of the time, with a foundation at least as strong as this:
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...=1&oref=slogin
July 3, 2007
Legal Confusion Follows Libby Decision
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 5:23 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush forced the CIA leak case into uncharted legal territory when he commuted the prison sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis ''Scooter'' Libby, a federal judge said Tuesday.
Bush eliminated Libby's 2 1/2-year prison term and left in place his two years of supervised release. But supervised release -- a form of probation -- is only available to people who have served prison time. Without prison, it's unclear what happens next.
U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton posed the question to Libby's attorneys and to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald: Does this mean Libby won't actually be required to serve supervised release? Should he just have to report to probation officials as if he spent time in prison?
The law, Walton said in court documents, ''does not appear to contemplate a situation in which a defendant may be placed under supervised release without first completing a term of incarceration.''
For now, it appears Libby is in legal limbo. Walton gave both sides until Monday to respond.
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We cannot have a "competition of ideas" here....when one side so clearly goes about "making shit up", and the other works to methodically support every key point posted.
This is not routine. The president himself hired a criminal defense attorney, Jim Sharp, in response to Fitzgerald's investigation. Cheney did the same:
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If Rove is Indicted, Will Media Mention Bush's Criminal Defense ...
Tilted Forum Project > The Academy > Tilted Politics > If Rove is Indicted ... McClellan reluctantly admitted that Bush had retained Jim Sharp during a June ...
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/archive...p/t-91795.html - 91k - Supplemental Result -
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The president is experiencing the most prolonged and severe disapproval polling results of any president since Nixon. In the midst of support by independents, for example, declining to 24 percent, he opts to block Libby's serving of even a day in jail, questioning the sentencing judge's determination, and not even consulting the relevant DOJ department or the prosecutor, before he acts.
An NPR contributor commented this afternoon that preemption of an entire prison sentence by a president had not occurred in 80 years.....
This stinks...and it will fuel the further decline of this president and of his party. We post again, and again, why this is so....and your confident, but empty dismissal of our examples of objections and of the serious implications for the reputation of the presidency and the principle of equal justice is all that you post in response.
When you resort to an "argument" that includes your confident assertion that special counsel Fitzgerald should have ignored Libby's perjury and obstruction....that it was he who erred, not Libby.....you would leave no prosecutor with the tool of legal deterrent to discourage future perjury and obstruction...and as Bush has pissed in all of our faces and on the US constitution, and not for the first time.....you shit up these pages, in lockstep....brimming with a confidence as misplaced and pathetic as Bush himself so often displays.....