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Jenny, perhaps you should reread both of my posts with the story of my nephew's birth. Both mother and child would have died without immediate medical intervention. As it was, my nephew was deprived of oxygen for a number of minutes, which could have been complete avoided had my sister-in-law had a trained professional on hand or, better yet, been in a hospital.
There's the quote you were looking for. One example of absolute proof that, in at least that case, you're absolutely wrong. You've ignored it up to now. Care to do it again?
As for the comments about personal attacks, please don't try to goad people into flaming you. Not only does it detract from your argument, but it makes you look both insincere and desperate for attention. We call people that do that "attention whores" or "trolls". Don't be either. The three members you've singled out are all highly thought of here, and they don't deserve your disrespect.
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