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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Okay, you yourself admit that it is an emotional response and mother's intution. And then further state tha you have no scientific studies to back up our claims. Why then espouse all these studies? Why pretend that there is evidence to support your claims.
Either there is evidence or there isn't. You just finally came around and said that there isn't any evidence. Why the charade?
Again, why this comment? What does it add to supporting your statements?
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I shared the studies because people asked for scientific information.
In reading over the thread, I was told in no uncertain terms that:
A. NO information whatsoever exists to link violent birth to violence later in life.
I shared some links and quotes and they were dismissed.
B. NO doctors would use Cytotec for induction of labor because it is contra indicated in birth.
I shared links and quotes and they were again either ignored or dismissed
C. Birth drugs DO NOT lead to drug addiction later in life
I shared a study and a couple of links and you feel the need to completely dismiss what I have shared as not quite scientific enough for your own personal scientific standards.
I heckle and make fun of the
American Obstetric trade union (ACOG) because they suffer from an alarming lack of curiosity and scientific inquiry and have no interest in doing long term studies about the way they deliver babies, and you say this is not part of the equation as to why women are choosing freebirth?
It is exactly the reason families are choosing freebirth.
And it is in fact the most educated women (knowledgeable about birth) who are choosing to give birth at home alone.
Have you read Henci Goers
Obstetric Myths Versus Research Realities?
I think it would satisfy your scientific mind to consider her words:
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This book is an attempt to make the medical literature on a variety of key obstetric issues accessible to people who lack the time, expertise, access, or proximity to a medical library to research concerns on their own. Obstetric Myths Versus Research Realities is a compact reference, scholarly yet understandable to people without medical training, and organized so that readers can easily find the information they want.
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Dr. Wagner has written a new book,
Born in the USA
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The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, despite the fact that it's one of the most expensive maternity care systems. Dr. Marsden Wagner is the former director of Women and Children's Health at the World Health Organization and he says the system is broken. Dr. Wagner joins host Bruce Gellerman to discuss his book “Born in the USA – How a Broken Maternity System Must Be Fixed to Put Women and Children First”.
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Well, the problem is that the obstetric profession 100 years ago decided to drive out the midwives because they were taking their patients. And they wanted the field to themselves. So they started campaigns in many states, witch-hunts essentially, to claim that midwives don't know what they're doing. They're killing babies and so forth. And they succeeded in driving midwifery out of our country. They didn't do that in any other country. And in every country in the world, except ours, highly trained midwives catch the vast majority of babies except for the 10 or 15 percent where there's a serious medical problem. But in our country the obstetricians try to catch all the babies and get all the money and all the credit. And this is a very broken way to do things. We have good scientific data showing that doing it this way means many more dead women and many more dead babies.
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I said I did not have any scientific studies on Freebirth, because none have been done, but some studies that have shown linkage between drugged birth and later drug addiction have been conducted and when various people were throwing out ugly epithets towards me about how I was so full of it, I just wanted to share the little bit of research that has been done. I think we need a couple dozen more, paid for by Big Pharma.
The American People should demand it.
As for unscientific studies, Judy Rall over at Unhindered living has been
collecting statistics for a couple of years on UC Birth.
And I conducted an online survery for my book
Elijah Birth in 1999 and included the stats in the book. Judys very small study shows we have a remarkably low C-section rate of 2 per 201 and a remarkably high rate of success with .99% failed UC attempts.
But I am not a researcher, a scientist, or a doctor. I have two years of musical theatre training at the university level.
Almost all, 99% of our information on the
internet,
in our books,
newsletters,
conferences,
movies is anecdotal.
I know the information is easy to dismiss if you are a scientist.
But sometimes the best things in life come when you step out of the realm of what "seems" normal and take
a quantum faith leap into something completely different.
I would have to define Freebirth as one of the best choices I have ever made in my life.
Joy, pure unadulterated JOY when I give birth.
Jenny Hatch