Moderator Jazz, would you please open up my ability to add links to my posts. Research coming!
Jenny Hatch
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Originally Posted by analog
Jenny:
You make wild claims with no evidence.
You make crazy assertions with no data.
You make emotional appeals out of statements which should be intellectual processes.
And you'd think this thread was farmland for the amount of strawmen I'm tripping over.
Your rhetoric, on the whole, is reminiscent of old-time horse-and-buggy street-corner tonic salesmen. "Cures what ails you. Why? It says so right here on the bottle, that's why!"
I say all this because I'm at a loss as to how I can have a discussion here. It definitely seems as though you want us to swallow whole all that you'd desire to feed us, and skip the intellectual processes altogether. That, unfortunately, doesn't really work for me.
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I agree that much of the FreeBirth movement is built on emotion and mothers intuition that we are not being well served by the allopathic birth machine. We don't have any financial backers, and very few professionals support our choice for birth. We have had no scientific studies to back up our claims, and we are one of the least funded grassroots movements probably ever to exist. But we are growing, at an Alarming rate, according to the
Royal College of Obstetricians in the UK. And the
Canadian Docs And the
Aussie Docs
The ACOG docs are probably all out playing golf, and that is why they have not jumped on the Anti Freebirth wagon train.
I completely funded our second conference in 2001, which was attended by about 30 families and the children outnumbered the adults two to one. We didn't have some big pharmacuetical company waiting in the wings, sending money hand over fist to support us.
You asked for a study on the linkage between drugs used during labor and later drug addiction?
Here is one compelling study:
Opiate addiction in adult offspring through possible imprinting after obstetric treatment.
The selected references for said study out of scandinavia are here:
This list contains those references that cite another article in PMC or have a citation in PubMed. It may not include all the original references for this article.
Horn G. Neural mechanisms of learning: an analysis of imprinting in the domestic chick. Proc R Soc Lond B Biol Sci. 1981 Oct 14;213(1191):101–137.
Salzen EA. Imprinting in birds and primates. Behaviour. 1967;28(3):232–254.
Salk L. Thoughts on the concept of imprinting and its place in early human development. Can Psychiatr Assoc J. 1966;11(Suppl)(Suppl Suppl):295–305.
Jacobson B, Eklund G, Hamberger L, Linnarsson D, Sedvall G, Valverius M.
Perinatal origin of adult self-destructive behavior. Acta Psychiatr Scand. 1987 Oct;76(4):364–371.
Jacobson B, Nyberg K, Eklund G, Bygdeman M, Rydberg U.
Obstetric pain medication and eventual adult amphetamine addiction in offspring. Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand. 1988;67(8):677–682.
Hynes MD, Berkowitz BA. Catecholamine mechanisms in the stimulation of mouse locomotor activity by nitrous oxide and morphine. Eur J Pharmacol. 1983 May 20;90(1):109–114.
KOVACH JK. EFFECTS OF AUTONOMIC DRUGS ON IMPRINTING. J Comp Physiol Psychol. 1964 Apr;57:183–187. [PubMed]
Brazelton TB. Effect of prenatal drugs on the behavior of the neonate. Am J Psychiatry. 1970 Mar;126(9):1261–1266.
Please note this study was published in the British Medical Journal:
Quotes from the study:
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES--Administration of opiates, barbiturates, and nitrous oxide (for greater than 1 h) to mothers of all subjects during labour within
10 hours before birth as a risk factor for adult opiate addiction.
RESULTS--In subjects who had subsequently become addicts a significant proportion of mothers had received opiates or barbiturates, or both, compared with unmatched siblings (25% v 16%, chi 2 = 5.83, df = 1, p = 0.02), and these mothers had received nitrous oxide for longer and more often.
After controlling for hospital of birth, order of birth, duration of labour, presentation other than vertex, surgical intervention, asphyxia, meconium stained amniotic fluid, and birth weight
the relative risk for offspring subsequently becoming an adult opiate addict increased with the number of administrations of any of the three drugs.
When the addicts were matched with their own siblings the estimated relative risk was 4.7 (95% confidence interval 1.8 to 12.4, p for trend = 0.002)
for three administrations compared with when no drug was given.
CONCLUSIONS--The results are compatible with the imprinting hypothesis.
Therefore, for obstetric pain relief methods are preferable that do not permit substantial passage of drugs through the placenta.
I don't have the gumption to do the work to link to any more, and frankly there is not a whole lot out there. Mostly just a
handful of news stories and a
couple of articles referencing this study.
But the study you have asked for is indeed being done in our society. We are right now sowing the wind with our children and grandchildren, and we are going to reap the whirlwind in another generation or two. I think it will probably be fifty years before we all collectively stand back and realize what we have done to our posterity with the drugs and violent birth. I'm not going to try to convince anyone of anything, but you asked for evidence, and this is the best I can offer at this time.
The big pharma companies run the world right now and they are not going to give up that power and money without a tremendous fight. One of the ways they have fought hardest is by not doing the long term studies on what their "dope hath wrought" in the delivery rooms.
Reminds me of a statement by The Famous Chiropractor
Bernard Jensen, who said in his book Empty Harvest...."if they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."
I am attempting to ask the right questions as a mother. My children only have me and my husband to protect them from the money making schemes of conspiring men. And if we don't do it, nobody else will. I'm willing to live with the long term consequences of my life choices.
Are you?
Jenny