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ngdawg · 07-01-2007, 06:46 PM

Many of your comments, ie; rushing to get to a golf course, are condescending.
The choices made together will strengthen a relationship and no one has questioned that.
I saw no links to any 'number of perinatal psychologists', only one to a list of violence stats that had nothing to do with the OP.
Episiotomies are sometimes a nasty necessity, specially for petite women. For example, my friend, not more than 5'2", full term 7 lb baby began to tear-I believe it was called a '4th degree' rip and required an episiotomy, not to hasten anything but to prevent further injury. An article in Glamour magazine of February, 2005 covered a malady most common to third world women, primarily certain countries in Africa that was causing a great deal of human rights concerns. These women, in giving birth, many times would endure perforated uteruses and tears in the area between the rectum and vagina. These tears in turn caused bowel and urinary leakage through the uterus and vagina. Because they were thusly 'deformed', husbands would abandon them, communities would ostracize and they were openly outcast.
Blanketly stating that everything offered up is due only to line pockets and get doctors out to social engagements faster is bigoted at best. Perhaps you had some unscrupulous medical personnel, but not everyone does.
Also, not everyone can make the decision to birth at home, a fact you are choosing to ignore. And, while we are attempting a give and take as it pertains to the discussion, your posts thus far have only been personal testimonials and not answering the questions or concerns anyone has put forth. Perhaps I'll begin:
1) Is it your contention, based on what you've stated that children such as my own (twins,C-section) will not fare well? That they will not contribute or have peaceful existence based on their arrivals?
2) Is it your belief that it is primarily the freebirth technique that boosts a child's future positive development?
3) Do you think relying on the medical community for a healthy outcome is misguided? Why? What is the alternative?
4) Just as there are positives to an alternative choice(in this case, freebirth), what are the negatives?

07-01-2007, 06:46 PM	#101 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Many of your comments, ie; rushing to get to a golf course, are condescending. The choices made together will strengthen a relationship and no one has questioned that. I saw no links to any 'number of perinatal psychologists', only one to a list of violence stats that had nothing to do with the OP. Episiotomies are sometimes a nasty necessity, specially for petite women. For example, my friend, not more than 5'2", full term 7 lb baby began to tear-I believe it was called a '4th degree' rip and required an episiotomy, not to hasten anything but to prevent further injury. An article in Glamour magazine of February, 2005 covered a malady most common to third world women, primarily certain countries in Africa that was causing a great deal of human rights concerns. These women, in giving birth, many times would endure perforated uteruses and tears in the area between the rectum and vagina. These tears in turn caused bowel and urinary leakage through the uterus and vagina. Because they were thusly 'deformed', husbands would abandon them, communities would ostracize and they were openly outcast. Blanketly stating that everything offered up is due only to line pockets and get doctors out to social engagements faster is bigoted at best. Perhaps you had some unscrupulous medical personnel, but not everyone does. Also, not everyone can make the decision to birth at home, a fact you are choosing to ignore. And, while we are attempting a give and take as it pertains to the discussion, your posts thus far have only been personal testimonials and not answering the questions or concerns anyone has put forth. Perhaps I'll begin: 1) Is it your contention, based on what you've stated that children such as my own (twins,C-section) will not fare well? That they will not contribute or have peaceful existence based on their arrivals? 2) Is it your belief that it is primarily the freebirth technique that boosts a child's future positive development? 3) Do you think relying on the medical community for a healthy outcome is misguided? Why? What is the alternative? 4) Just as there are positives to an alternative choice(in this case, freebirth), what are the negatives? __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.