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Originally Posted by EaseUp
It has been necessary to use the scroll wheel quite a bit in this thread. Therefore, I may have missed the part where someone provided an answer to the question of our 800 lb. gorilla, namely, what to do with 13 million or so illegal aliens who feel entitled to US health care.
Michael Moore was on Leno the other night. While I have no respect for him, due to his massive and deliberate distortions in prior films <h3>(as well as his tactic of "interviewing" people with Alzheimer's)</h3> he came across as almost likeable and unbiased in that interview.
I may just go see this movie, but due to his prior practices, I won't accept any of it as truth until I'm able to research his content.
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Does anyone else think that Moore interviewed Charlton Heston, while Heston was impaired by Alzheimers disease, or....that it could have been a "tactic" by Moore....to do that intentionally?
If you agree with EaseUp....do you wonder where he got that idea? It wasn't reported like that in any "news" reporting....but it was an accusation that received great "play" in conservative supported pundit circles. They are "circles", because they are structured in a closed loop,
If Lauer's aggressive, televised for immediate broadcast interview of Heston, at least a year, and maybe 18 months AFTER Moore's interview of Heston was filmed, was not criticized as an ambush of an impaired person, why is Moore's criticized? Why did Heston continue as NRA president for at least 18 months after Moore interviewed him, and for nearly 8 months after Lauer's Sept. 6, 2002 interview?
We know for fact that "Bowling for Columbine" was screened at Cannes before May 15, 2002, and that it contained the Heston interview. We know that Keston did not announce the diagnosis that included "Alzheimer Like" syymptoms untill 3 months after Moore's film was screened at Cannes. We know that movies of a high enough quality to achieve mass US distribution require months in post production and final edit. We know that Heston was the public spokesman for the NRA, a national lobbying organization with a major, and post Columbine in 1999, an even more than usual contentious presence.
It is reasonable, given the facts, to believe that Heston, an elderly man diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1999, and who had a drinking problem serious enough to trigger three weeks of inpatient rehab in June 2001, just a year before Moore interviewed him in 2001, was impaired for several years before Moore arrived to interview him, on a day's notice. Heston was then, and for nearly two years after, president of the NRA, giving in depth, TV interviews as late as 18 months after Moore's interview.
Given these facts, the Alzheimer interview "tactic" EaseUp posts as one of his reasons for his negative opinion of Moore, is not a reasonable objection.
....and that is another example of a major impairment for actual discussion potential on this forum. We "know what we know", and we post accordingly. Then....some of us are challenged by "stuff" that shaped our posted opinion. It is challenged....and then it happens another time, and another...and we lose interest, and we stop participating.....<b>but the forum continues, and there is less discussion, but the "stuff" that "everybody knows....and some people say"....is called out....for what it is. This is a politics forum...it isn't Foxnews:</b>
The following interview of Heston by NBC's Matt Lauer on the Today Show, took place 4 months after "Bowling for Columbine" arrived as a completed film at the Cannes Film Festival. and no one, proabably a year later then Moores's interview of Heston, accused Lauer of "interviewing
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<h3>09-09-2002, 01:36 PM</h3>
Here are Laura Ingram's comments on the Matt Lauer interview with Mr. Heston and some of the transcript of the interview.
Laura's Weekly E-Blast!
http://www.LauraIngraham.com
The following is a transcript of Lauer’s biased questioning of Mr. Heston on guns. Be your own judge.
LAUER: What are you most proud of in [the political part] of your life?
Mr. HESTON: I suppose the leadership of the NRA.
LAUER: Why?
Mr. HESTON: I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. Thomas Jefferson and all those smart old dead white guys that invented the country, that's what they were in favor of, and so I'll go with him.
LAUER: Have you ever gotten up one morning, read the newspaper or seen the news, about a particularly horrific crime or event that involved a shooting and thought, even for a second, 'I may be on the wrong side of this issue.'
Mr. HESTON: No, I never felt that.
LAUER: Never wavered?
Mr. HESTON: No. Again, I'm on the side of the--the men who invented the country. They believed in the Second Amendment, and I believe in it, too.
LAUER: Let me read, probably, your most famous quote as the head of the NRA, standing in front of the convention one year.
Mr. HESTON: Oh, yes.
LAUER: And if you--well, I'll start it, you finish it. How about that? "As we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those words again for everyone within the sound of..."
Mr. HESTON: (From NRA convention) ...my voice to hear and to heed, and especially for you, Mr. Gore. From my cold, dead hands!"
From my cold dead hands.
LAUER: Received an enormous reaction.
Mr. HESTON: Yes, it did. It did.
LAUER: Still feel that way?
Mr. HESTON: Yes, I do. Yes, I'm--I'm very proud of the fact that I've been able to be useful to the NRA.
LAUER: You have guns in your home.
Mr. HESTON: Mm-hmm.
LAUER: Is there a concern that if you become of diminished mental capacity that that could be a problem?
Mr. HESTON: If it becomes a problem, then it has to be dealt with, doesn't it? But I don't think it will be. …
LAUER: Let me read you what you said about Bill Clinton.
Mr. HESTON: Mm-hmm.
LAUER: "Mr. Clinton, sir, America doesn't trust you..."
Mr. HESTON: (From NRA pulpit) ...with our health-care system. America didn't trust you with gays in the military, America doesn't trust you with our 21-year-old daughters, and we sure, Lord, don't trust you with our guns.
I'm proud of having said it. I'm also...
LAUER: Speaking about a president of the United States here.
Mr. HESTON: I also was pleased to hear that afterwards he said to his followers, after the last election when Mr. Gore was defeated, to his credit, he said, 'It was the NRA and Chuck Heston that did it.'
LAUER: And you're proud of that?
Mr. HESTON: I am.
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9649C8B63
Charlton Heston Reveals Disorder That May Be Alzheimer's Disease
By NICK MADIGAN
Published: August 10, 2002
''Our revels now are ended,'' Charlton Heston, quoting Shakespeare, said as he revealed he might have Alzheimer's disease.
Mr. Heston, the 78-year-old actor and president of the National Rifle Association who in a long career has portrayed seemingly invincible characters like Ben-Hur, El Cid and Moses, said in a statement videotaped on Wednesday that his doctors told him recently that he had a neurological disorder whose symptoms may be consistent with Alzheimer's.
''I wanted to prepare a few words for you now, because when the time comes, I may not be able to,'' Mr. Heston said in the tape, which was shown for the first time this morning at the Beverly Hills Hotel, near Mr. Heston's home.
''If you see a little less spring in my step, if your name fails to leap to my lips, you'll know why,'' Mr. Heston said. ''And if I tell you a funny story for the second time, please, laugh anyway.''
Mr. Heston, who won an Academy Award as best actor in 1960 for ''Ben-Hur,'' in which he emerged victorious from an 11-minute chariot race, also appeared in ''The Ten Commandments,'' ''Planet of the Apes,'' ''Khartoum'' and ''The Agony and the Ecstasy.''
In 1998 he accepted the presidency of the rifle group, which alienated him from many of his Hollywood colleagues. His term ends in April 2003, and he expects to complete it, said Anthony S. Makris, who identified himself as Mr. Heston's political adviser and a friend of 20 years.
Mr. Heston, a former president of the Screen Actors Guild, has speaking engagements scheduled into October on behalf of pro-Second Amendment and pro-Bill of Rights candidates, Mr. Makris said. Mr. Heston is working on an animated version of ''Ben-Hur,'' providing the narration and the voice-over for the title role.
''He's treating Alzheimer's like an enemy,'' Mr. Makris said. ''He's proved throughout his life that to be on the other side of Charlton Heston is not a good place to be.'' ....
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Friday, 17 May, 2002, 15:50 GMT 16:50 UK
Satirist's shock at Cannes selection
By Helen Bushby
BBC News Online, Cannes
Filmmaker and satirist Michael Moore has said he was "blown away" when his documentary on US gun culture, Bowling for Columbine, was selected for competition at the Cannes film festival.
It is the first time in 46 years that a documentary has been chosen as part of the 22 films competing at the festival, which is famed for honouring art-house movies and auteurs.
Moore's film explores why the US has more than 11,000 gun-related deaths per year, and compares it with Canada and Europe, where he said numbers are often less than 100 per country.
It also includes an interview with actor and president of the US National Rifle Association (NRA) Charlton Heston, who staunchly defends the "right to bear arms" as cited in the Second Amendment of the US constitution.
Moore said he was stunned at getting an interview with Heston after simply turning up at his house and pressing the doorbell.
Walked out
"I rang the buzzer and out of the box came the voice of Moses," he said at Cannes.
But Heston walked out of the interview when Moore probed him over whether it was insensitive to hold two NRA rallies in two US towns, where pupils had killed people at their schools with shotguns.
Moore was referring to the shootings at Columbine High School, Colorado in 1999, when two teenagers killed 12 students and a teacher before shooting themselves, and also at a school in Flint, Michigan in 2000 where a boy shot his six-year-old classmate dead....
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n13904608
Heston elected to fourth term at NRA
Chicago Sun-Times, May 22, 2001
KANSAS CITY, Mo. Charlton Heston, who has electrified the National Rifle Association with his rousing, musket-waving speeches, was re- elected to an unprecedented fourth term as NRA president Monday.
The actor was chosen by the NRA's 76-member board of directors.
"There really wasn't much discussion" about whether to keep Heston in the job, said NRA spokesman Bill Powers.
Heston was first elected to head the 4.2-million-member gun- rights group in 1998. Presidents serve one-year terms.
On Saturday, the 77-year-old film star told NRA members at their annual meeting that he had expected his most recent term to be his last but that he was asked to stay on.
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http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...%2c%20Charlton
THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GUN LOBBY; Rallying Voters and Relishing a Leading Role
November 3, 2000, Friday
By MELINDA HENNEBERGER (NYT); National Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 25, Column 1, 1085 words
DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Charlton Heston is campaigning for Gov George W Bush; he is on 7-day, 16-city swing through key states in intense effort to mobilize gun owners who are convinced that Vice Pres Al Gore wants to confiscate their firearms; description of his appearance at National Rifle Assn rally in Nashville, Tenn...
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http://archives.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ...eut/index.html
Charlton Heston 'feeling good' after alcohol rehab
Heston
Heston said he "nipped the problem in the bud"
July 31, 2000
Web posted at: 11:04 PM EDT (0304 GMT)
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -- Actor Charlton Heston spent several weeks in alcohol rehabilitation earlier this year because his social drinking had gotten out of hand, and he "nipped the problem in the bud," his publicist said Monday.
Heston, 76, famed for playing larger-than-life figures in such film classics as "The Ten Commandments," "Ben-Hur" and "The Agony the Ecstasy," checked himself into a Utah rehabilitation center from late May to mid-June, spokeswoman Lisa DeMatteo said.
The Oscar-winning actor, who has dedicated much of his off-screen time in recent years to his role as president of the National Rifle Association, has since returned to work and is "feeling good," she said.
DeMatteo said Heston did not have a severe alcohol problem but sought rehabilitation because he felt his social drinking had become excessive.
"He leads his life at a pretty hectic pace," said DeMatteo, who was with Heston in Philadelphia for the Republican National Convention. ....
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