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Old 06-29-2007, 03:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
joshbaumgartner
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The EU is flat out a good thing for Europe from a strategic perspective. I mean where would the people in the US be if they were 50 independent countries only loosly confederated? I'm sure some romanticists would appreciate the notion, but realistically, we certainly wouldn't be the preeminent world power we are, that is for certain.

That said...

The people are the ones that get to choose this. If Danes or Irish or Swiss or Romanians vote against being part of it, that's their choice. I don't care if it is good or bad for them strategically, that's their matter to figure out. I think they are dumb for not trying to make the EU work, but I don't live there so I don't have a vote in it. No council or other body, or even me, should be able to override the vote of the people.

For those who live in countries where their leaders are shoe-horning them into the EU over the people's protests:

Stop bitching about the EU and start bitching about your own leaders. Of course the EU is going to take any opening it can to get your country to join, they think they are right and that its best for you, but that's neither here nor there. What you should do is take any leader in your country who doesn't listen to the people and drag them out of office as quick as you can get your hands on the slimy bastards. If you have leaders with backbone, and the vote is against the EU, it doesn't matter what the EU tries, they'll be helpless to change matters. If you let leaders stay in power who for whatever reason side with the EU over the people, then frankly you are going to get the EU like it or not.

If you really think your country deserves to remain sovereign, then the first mark of a true sovereign state is a leadership that doesn't let any other country or organization push it around. If you can't put such leadership at the head of your country, than as harsh as it sounds, your country is going to get treated like a less-than-sovereign state.
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