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Old 06-28-2007, 07:36 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Jenny Hatch
Working in the faith realm is the work that we parents are engaged in. "Faith preceeds the miracle", "as a man thinketh, so is he". If you have studied quantum mechanics you will know that our beliefs about things provide steps to our reality.

If a mother believes that Birth is painful, deadly, and dangerous - her birth will likely follow her beliefs in terms of how it plays out.

But if a mother spends quality time working on her beliefs, her mental programming, she can literally move mountains and give birth alone.

Dr. Crippen is calling for us moms who have a babe die during a freebirth to be charged with manslaughter. (Or at least be prosecuted by brain damaged children later on)

I think he is really on to something in his call for criminal charges for dangerous parental decisions around birth.

We freebirthers will gladly accept the responsibility for our birth outcomes WHEN and IF mothers who are choosing elective C-sections are held under the same law.

Nobody is above the law...Right?

So, as long as moms who choose a medical intervention without true medical cause are being prosecuted and locked up for their dangerous and deadly choice for baby, we will gladly bow down to the law and allow ourselves to also be prosecuted and charged for a supposedly dangerous birth choice.

See, we have nature and the lack of chemicals on our side, and I can promise you that the mothers from the medical side will be prosecuted ten to one more often than we mothers who are giving birth alone. Toxic, "blue" chemical laden babies have a much harder time recovering from birth than our beautiful natural babes who are born at home with proper hormonal interactions and lack of deadly drugs like Cytotec raging through their livers and brains.

It seems to me that if poor parental choices are being thrown into the mix of who gets prosecuted and who does not, those babies who are brain damaged from too many drugs at birth, those babies who never reach full genetic brain potential cause Momma didn't want to breastfeed, and those children who are permanently maimed and disabled by never being fed whole organic foods, should also be enabled to have cause to sue parents for damages.

As I said, if you are truly interested in the evolution of sexuality, lining up our sexual lives along the parameters outlined by Dr. Odent will lead to a much more peaceful society.

Freebirth fits it to a T.

QUOTE: by Dr. Odent

This simple, basic, and necessary question is also paradoxically new. As long as we put it aside, the promotion of breastfeeding will suffer. Today we are in a position to explain that breastfeeding starts before the baby is born.

Until recently the fact that the maternal body prepares to secrete milk before the baby is born was in the realm of intuitive knowledge. Today, physiologists are in a position to explain how the hormones released by mother and baby during labor and delivery play a role in the initiation of lactation.

Here are some examples of easy-to-explain connections between the physiology of birth lactation:

In 1979 we learned that the levels of beta-endorphins increase during labor (Csontos, Rust, Hollt, et al., 1979; Akil, Watson, Barchas, & Li, 1979). We already knew, since 1977, that beta-endorphin stimulates the release of prolactin (Rivier, Vale, Ling, Brown, & Guillemin, 1977). It became therefore possible to interpret a chain of events: physiological pain in labor (system of protection against pain) and the release of the key hormone of lactation.
Swedish studies, published in 1996, demonstrated that two days after birth, when the baby is at the breast, women who gave birth vaginally release oxytocin in a pulsatile (i.e., effective) way, compared with women who gave birth by emergency caesarean section (Rivier, Vale, Ling, Brown, & Guillemin, 1977).

Furthermore there is a correlation between the way oxytocin is released two days after birth and the duration of exclusive breastfeeding.
The same Swedish team found that the caesarean women lacked a significant rise in prolactin levels at 20-30 minutes after the onset of breastfeeding (Nissen, Uvnas-Moberg, Svensson, Stock, Widstrom, & Winberg, 1996).

An Italian team demonstrated that the amount of beta-endorphin in the colostral milk of mothers who gave birth vaginally is significantly higher than colostrum levels of mothers who underwent caesarean section (Zanardo, Nicolussi, Giacomin, Faggian, Favaro, & Plebani, 2001). It is probable that one of the effects of milk opiates is to induce a sort of addiction to mother's milk. One can anticipate that the more addicted to the breast the newborn baby becomes, the longer and easier the breastfeeding.

In general it is easy to explain that the first time when the human neonate is able to find the breast (See Odent, 1977), the behavior of mother and baby is influenced by the numerous hormones they released during labor and delivery (Krehbiel, Poindron, Levy, & Prud'Homme, 1987). These different hormones released by mother and baby during the birth process are still present during the hour following, and all of them play specific roles in the interaction between mother and baby and therefore in the initiation of lactation.

Of course there are many other factors that participate in the development of the capacity to breastfeed (Odent, 2003). However, we must focus on the physiological processes that are routinely disturbed by the cultural milieu.

Such considerations are particularly relevant at the age of elective caesarean section on request and at a time when we have at our disposal multiple powerful ways to disturb the physiological processes in the period surrounding birth. It is undoubtedly because the basic questions are not addressed that the results of public health campaigns are rarely cost effective. None of these public health campaigns take into account the widespread, quasi-cultural lack of understanding of birth physiology that leads to high rates of obstetrical interventions and to the extensive use of pharmacological substitutes for natural hormones. The priority now should be to rediscover the basic needs of women in labor (Odent, 2001).



I came home to give birth after having my first three in the hospital because I was sick of the interfearence after my baby was born. Sure I gave birth to two of my children without inductions or drugs and I know I can claw my way to a natural birth in that environment.

But it was not until my fifth baby that I was able to hold my child in my arms for as long as I wanted, without some busybody standing by waiting to take him or her away from me.

Freebirth puts the bonding moment right back in the spotlight, and freebirthers are known for being very proactive breastfeeders.

I'm still nursing my fifth child a couple times a day and he is four and a half years old.
I am well aware of the freebirth concept Jenny, but I must say fanaticism serves no movement well. Many people choose a hospital for good reason, and should not be criticized for doing so, any more than you and I for choosing not too.
While I personally might agree with much of what you profess, the extremism you project would make me want to leave the room and disassociate. Congratulations on your choice, and the beautiful experience natural birth can be (I speak from experience), But an equal Congrats to Dawg for the Birthing she created. To each their own....Just enjoy the Kids.

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