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Originally Posted by willravel
This board followed the trend.
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Bull. This board didn't follow any trend. Those of us who lean left have always been here. The conservatives wussed out and quit because so much shit has come out about Bush and his cronies that it's completely impossible for them to continue to support him without getting laughed out of the room.
There was a time not so very long ago when Ustwo and others were on here proudly touting Bush and his policies. The war in Iraq is great! We'll find WMD's soon!
But now that all of that has been exposed as the idiotic lie many of us always knew it was, the conservatives have no one to cheer for. Naturally, they stopped posting.
Saying that the board has followed the trend implies that we have changed our minds. We haven't. I was against the war before it started. The only thing different about the board now than the way it was before is that the conservatives are being quiet - -that doesn't mean they're suddenly leaning left.
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I can remember when he couldn't remember shit about doing his job. I can remember when he said that "there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution", and gave Gitmo a legal argument. I remember when Bush had to deny investigators access to AG when everyone found out the NSA was listening to our conversations. These were inexcusable, and had a Democrat or Indy done that, I'd want their fucking head on a platter.
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QFT.
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Don't pretend like this administration is okay and we're all just being sensitive. We're torturing people. We're kidnapping people from other countries, without warning the governments many of whom are close allies, in order to torture them. Only a madman could think that's what America is all about.
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Well, that Is what America is all about, because that information has been available for years (go read Ghost Plane) and no one's done jack about it.
The people support torture because the people aren't doing anything to stop it.
Do I sound angry? Well, yeah. I'm damned angry. I'm angry that I can't be proud of my country anymore. I'm angry that I have to go a step further and be ashamed of it. But any country that invades other countries that aren't doing anything to it is evil. Any country that promotes torture is evil. And anyone who sits by and watches it happen without lifting a finger or at the very least a voice to stop it is evil as well.