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Originally Posted by willravel
That'd be fine if we worked in a society where kids are taught that serving the society is a good thing, but they aren't. This is about teaching them.
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The idea that serving society is good and/or should take priority over one's right to his or her time is a political/philosophical view. Political/philosophical views absolutely should not be forced on students.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Civic duty needs to be taught in order for there to be a civilization left when the next generation is done with it. Self service does not lead to civil development and action.
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I'm not convinced that civilization will to crumble just because schools aren't allowed to loan out students as free labor to pick up garbage or wipe peoples' butts at a convalescent home.
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Originally Posted by willravel
It's not invasive when a parent sends their child to a piano teacher so they can learn music. It's not invasive when I take 11 fucking years of English.
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The former is the choice of the parents. The latter is academic education, not forced volunteerism ordered by bureaucrats with a political agenda.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Everyone seems to be setting a double standard. You have to learn all this stuff, but civic duty should be optional. That makes no sense. I'm with DC on this one, or he is with me. Either way, we're in agreement.
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I'm not convinced that kids need to learn this stuff. I have a few reservations about teaching my kids that they are effectively owned by their neighbors and local politicians.
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Originally Posted by willravel
This is about helping the kids turn into better adults, preparing for the real world which means you have to sacrifice a bit for others. This planet fails when we act selfishly.
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You could use that argument to defend a military draft. They learn a skill, serve their country, etc.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
No. This sort of thing is just another form of Conscription, and Conscription is nothing but a eupemism for Slavery. Any time someone forces you to work against your will, they are attempting to enslave you. Anyone who attempts to enslave me, or my future children, will find himself in a most unpleasant situation.
Situations like this are why my children will be home-schooled.
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What he said.