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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
It is not your duty, responsibility, or your 'civic duty' to force me or my children to be required to perform some sort of socialistic community service. It is not your right or duty to teach me or my children YOUR ethics, nor is it the communities. You are infringing on my right and the rights of my children by forcing your beliefs on me, just as you would be screaming to hell and high water if some christian or muslim were trying to force their religious beliefs on you.
Nobody teaches my kids responsibility but me and their mother. If I fail in that responsibility, it is NOT the communities to pick it up.
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Then I guess no one teaches them. That sounds like a brilliant plan. "It's the parent's responsibility! Oh, but we're not going to require parents to do it. Most of them won't do it. Most of them don't even do it themselves. What was I talking about?"
You're acting like this is a personal thing, which is silly. If you teach your kids about civic duty, then they just get a double lesson and there's no harm in that. If you don't teach them, you're lax in your duties, and someone else has to step in and do your job for you. If parents don't teach their kids responsibility, and the community doesn't either, guess what? They become a problem for society, so we HAVE to deal with them, and that usually means jail. So there's your solution. Great job.
Simply not teaching civic responsibility is stupid.
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Originally Posted by BOR
I also disagree with Willravel's assertion that the only time young people do community service is when the school forces them, they've been arrested, or my personal favorite...they want to sleep with a really hot social liberal.
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I was exaggerating, of course. The point still stands:
most kids aren't going to learn about social responsibility on their own, at least until they are much older. As someone who took the third route, only to find bush, it would have been better had my HS had a program that asked me how I wanted to serve my community. I would have had choices, cleaning up a park or highway, helping the elderly, feeding the hungry, or even helping the homeless to get into job training, all of which build character, but I would need to do it on my own to figure out that sometimes other people need help. It's about being a good person, really, and it's about that nudge from the school into an experience that very few would have if they weren't nudged. Aside from that, it's great to suddenly have gaggles of volunteers in a community. Imagine a program like this leading to reduced pollution in parks or a smaller homeless population. That's mutually beneficial to the community and the individual. The community is improved, and the individual learns about respect, duty, honor, and such. When I hear people throwing the word 'slavery' around, I roll my eyes (like this!
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Slavery is getting up at dawn and working until dusk for no money and without freedom. Mandatory civic duty isn't slavery, and (borrowing from the Godwin arguments of so many) to suggest this is anything like slavery is disrespectful to slaves. Do you want to disrespect slaves?