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Originally Posted by roachboy
so wait: let me get this straight.
if a public school requires community service--like they require a gym class--then the argument behind it is "the state owns you"?
how does that work logically?
what are the steps involved with that argument?
help me out--in my benightedness, i cant see how you get from one point to the other.
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As questionable as the value of gym class is in a curriculum, it is wholly different than forcing someone to perform community service.
If you send your child to my school, and I force him or her to spend 75 hours reloading spent ammunition, or helping to gut deer, or doing something else you may find terribly offensive, I am violating your freedom to bring up your child as you see fit. I have stepped in as a parental figure representing the state and hijacked your parental responsibility.
Now, the obvious argument to the above is that the children have a choice of how they spend those hours. But, they really don't. Whatever they choose will have to be "approved" by the school they attend. What if the school's administration is ultra-evangelical-neocon and doesn't see protesting the war in Iraq as community service because the Iraq war is just? What if the school's administration is anti-gay and doesn't see volunteering at an AIDS hospice as community service, since those filthy fags got what's coming to them? To deny such things is the school forcing its sociopolitical views on the child and, by proxy, the parent. To accept any and all forms of community service had might as well result in removal of the requirement altogether. Rather than force community service on their students, public schools would be better off instilling a sense of personal responsibility by having them, as punishment for, say, littering, follow around the school's own janitorial staff and helping to pick up what messes they (the students as a whole) make.
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
Or do you also oppose mandatory education? If you do, then I don't see how you can continue to have a rational discussion, as you clearly aren't.
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Education is something which the parents have control over. As long as private schools and home-schooling are options, there is nothing wrong with that requirement.