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roachboy · 06-19-2007, 07:54 AM

look, dunedan, it is not of a whole lot of consequence whether you like those posts or not--i object fundamentally to the politics behind right libertarian positions, some of which are embodied in militia people and it is my prerogative to go after the politics. if you object to the chararcterization of those politics, take it on--show how it is wrong, in your view.

where's the problem? that conservative liberatarians subscribe to a political worldview that is deeply shaped by a misreading of john locke? try to demonstrate how that is wrong, if you can: i think it obvious and everwhere. conservative liberatarians talk about democracy but they dont like what it brings with it, so they emphasize private property and when they make that last move, we are in lockeworld, pure and simple.

but let's not play silly games like trying to collapse what i write into an ad hominem as if there is no distinction between a general political logic and what individual people might think. i responded specifically to dk's nos.13 and 15 with a bit of escalating sarcasm directed at what he said. but my main post above (no. 12) is not an ad hominem. look at the pronouns for example. pronouns help to distinguish one mode of address from another. it is by looking at pronouns that we distinguish an ad hominem from other types of argument.
you can do it.
i have faith.

besides, i am sure that there are nice militia people--i dont doubt it--the folk i know who are of militia groups are variously nice i guess--but even if i knew no-one who participated in this bizarre-o political formation, i would assume that there are nice people involved, just as i do not doubt that there were nice brownshirts in the germany of the 1920s. i dont doubt that poujade was a nice fellow. i am sure that having a drink or two with jean-marie le pen would be fun. there are nice people everywhere, dont you find?

06-19-2007, 07:54 AM	#22 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	look, dunedan, it is not of a whole lot of consequence whether you like those posts or not--i object fundamentally to the politics behind right libertarian positions, some of which are embodied in militia people and it is my prerogative to go after the politics. if you object to the chararcterization of those politics, take it on--show how it is wrong, in your view. where's the problem? that conservative liberatarians subscribe to a political worldview that is deeply shaped by a misreading of john locke? try to demonstrate how that is wrong, if you can: i think it obvious and everwhere. conservative liberatarians talk about democracy but they dont like what it brings with it, so they emphasize private property and when they make that last move, we are in lockeworld, pure and simple. but let's not play silly games like trying to collapse what i write into an ad hominem as if there is no distinction between a general political logic and what individual people might think. i responded specifically to dk's nos.13 and 15 with a bit of escalating sarcasm directed at what he said. but my main post above (no. 12) is not an ad hominem. look at the pronouns for example. pronouns help to distinguish one mode of address from another. it is by looking at pronouns that we distinguish an ad hominem from other types of argument. you can do it. i have faith. besides, i am sure that there are nice militia people--i dont doubt it--the folk i know who are of militia groups are variously nice i guess--but even if i knew no-one who participated in this bizarre-o political formation, i would assume that there are nice people involved, just as i do not doubt that there were nice brownshirts in the germany of the 1920s. i dont doubt that poujade was a nice fellow. i am sure that having a drink or two with jean-marie le pen would be fun. there are nice people everywhere, dont you find? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 06-19-2007 at 07:56 AM..