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Old 06-19-2007, 05:46 AM   #37 (permalink)
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i would think community service better than gym class.
i would think community servicemore neutral politically than making students pledge of allegiance to a hunk of cloth.
i would think community service far more neutral politically than what passes for history at the primary and secondary levels.

there are alot of problems with the panic amongst the far right libertarian set above...
there is no particular distinction between education collective and individuated insofar as indoctrination is concerned.
the hope is that within that indoctrination that the tools would also be taught that would enable students to push beyond it--or at least to see it for what it is.

but think about it: indoctrination--whatever that actually means (no matter i suppose) carried out within the curious, artificial framework of a public school is maybe preferably to that carried out by parents if you are actually concerned with the autonomy of kids----because the authority in schools is much more artificial than is the authority of the parental units---so is much more open to criticism on the part of kids--if you are concerned with raising kids who can think independently about the world--independently meaning on their own, and not as you, liberatarian parent, would like necessarily---that the artificiality of schools would be a benefit.

if you are going to equate a relation to slavery, maybe start with the power parents have over their children. there's no contract, no collective bargaining--parents can be little tyrants with near absolute impunity if they want--they can make arguments that the school system is indoctrination and keep their kids out of them so as to make sure that the political views of their children are closer to unthinking repetitions of their own. it is hard for the fragile, bizarre organic forms that lay behind far right libertarian thinking to survive outside special greenhouses, so it is clearly best to shut your kids up in one of them and make sure that the kid cannot get out.
that way, freedom follows.
all a kid needs to know is:
(a) society is evil
(b) no matter the issue, the 18th century Mystics who founded this Fine System knew everything. what they said is equally true in all situations. nothing really changes.
(c) own many guns.
(d) community service=slavery.

and maybe that the jury system is unconstitutional, that income tax should be resisted, that the united nations wants to enslave america.
well that and that you should hoarde gold and stockpile canned goods and armamanets of all types because helter skelter is a-coming....
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