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Originally Posted by willravel
That'd be fine if we worked in a society where kids are taught that serving the society is a good thing, but they aren't. This is about teaching them. Civic duty needs to be taught in order for there to be a civilization left when the next generation is done with it. Self service does not lead to civil development and action. It's not invasive when a parent sends their child to a piano teacher so they can learn music. It's not invasive when I take 11 fucking years of English.
Everyone seems to be setting a double standard. You have to learn all this stuff, but civic duty should be optional. That makes no sense. I'm with DC on this one, or he is with me. Either way, we're in agreement.
This is about helping the kids turn into better adults, preparing for the real world which means you have to sacrifice a bit for others. This planet fails when we act selfishly.
Ah, the exaggeration. Feeding the homeless takes nothing away from self determination. In fact, it helps to build the ethical character that can help in discovering who you are as an individual. I know you don't want anyone to help anyone else (see how I exaggerated there?), but the kids learn responsibility and the community gets help. It's win win.
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It is not your duty, responsibility, or your 'civic duty' to force me or my children to be required to perform some sort of socialistic community service. It is not your right or duty to teach me or my children YOUR ethics, nor is it the communities. You are infringing on my right and the rights of my children by forcing your beliefs on me, just as you would be screaming to hell and high water if some christian or muslim were trying to force their religious beliefs on you.
Nobody teaches my kids responsibility but me and their mother. If I fail in that responsibility, it is NOT the communities to pick it up.