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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace: let's not be ridiculous.
you know elmer fudd, yes?
what was his plan?
"i am hunting wabbits"
but at least in elmer fudd's case there were wabbits to be hunted.
they were built into the same cartoon.
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Perhaps it boils down to how much detail you want. Assuming Elmer is a real hunter for a moment. He may tell his wife a non-hunter, that he is going hunting he gathers his stuff and leaves. If that was all, to a hunter, his plan to go hunting is no plan. But if Elmer actually talks to his hunter friends and gives the details of what he is hunting, what he going to use, times to be in certain locations, etc, etc., then they may or may not agree that he has a good plan, but he had a plan.
So I am not clear are you saying there was no plan or that the plan was not a good one?
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in this case, the empty notion of "terrorists" is substituted for anything like a coherent plan for the post-war situation in iraq. if you read the "strategy" outlined by the white house, and assume that the category "terrorist" does not refer to anything in particular, you can see that there is no there there.
but this is not really about white house pr: this is about the concerns of the blair government from very early on in this debacle that there was, in fact, no plan.
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So, they say "in fact, no plan", let's think about that...I thought about it and at best it is not a statement one could take literally. Given the size of our army in Iraq, you have to have a plan, or else how do you feed your army?
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that there are statements which purport to be plans means little---that there are individual plans seems actually symptomatic of the problem itself--if you read this quote from the article above, which i assume you overlooked:
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Did not overlook it. We won't really know about the details and real failing of the Bush plan until after the war and until after all the key players are out of office and retired. People who were not there really can't say much about the planning. All they know is what they were told.
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so it would follow, ace, that there probably are any number of individual plans but there is no plan.
this goes well beyond the unpredictability of war in general.
please do not waste your time posting defenses of the bush people that amount to nothing more than the usual relativizing nonsense ("well, everyone did x... so what the bush people have done is hunky dory.")
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I decide how I spend my time.
I understand why you chose not to directly repond to the point in my first post here. Basically you have no response. To simply say there is no plan ( or there are plans, I am not clear on your position after reading that you think there were individual plans but also take the position there was no plan) and it goes beyond the unpredictability of war is not a real response.