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Cynthetiq · 06-15-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

I'm sure that everyone here knows well enough the difference between skepticism and condescension. Just a kindly reminder.

Mrs. Theresa Renaud gave a suspiciously conflicting report.
Interviewer: Did you hear the explosion from your position?
Theresa: Oh yes, yes we did. As a matter of fact, we heard it...and , cause I was just like standing there looking out the window I didn't see what caused it or if there was another impact.
Oh there's another plane just hit!

HIGHLY suspicious. The thing is, this requires an odd explanation. Had she just been lying or exaggerating, that would have been different, but she knew, despite any indication, that the initial impact was a plane. I can't think of any reason that she knew they were planes 1) because she specifically said that she didn't know what hit the building, 2) no one, up to that point thought it was a plane and 3) even with binoculars, she would have been hard pressed to actually see any plane. She knew it was a plane before the news outlets. Think about that. She knew it was a plane before anyone else.

When I consider this scenario, the most plausible explanations are either she knew before the news outlets somehow, or the news outlets sat on the information and she was a fake interview. Option 1 means she was familiar with the plan of attack befoe it was carried out and is likely in collusion (scary thought). Option 2 means that the media, in a (everyone take a deep breath) conspiracy, kept information from the public about the nature of the attack until the second impact. What do you think the implications of these two options are? Can you think of any other options?

As I walked in Times Square on that morning watching it on the ABC Jumboscreen, I thought to myself, "A plane hit one of the towers."

Did I know something that other people didn't? No, quite simply we live in a space that has alot of air traffic, helicopters, small planes, large commerical planes, military planes (even prior to 9/11) all flying over Manhattan.

The recent small plane that crashed on the Upper East Side had conflicting reporting of initially a helicopter going down, then it being called a small plane, then back to a helicopter. Was that also media conspiracy? No, just poor reporting by the reporting outlets. When the camera rolls for 24 hours 7 days a week, you have to fill time. In my opinion it has made for sloppy reporting.

note it is WELL documented that another plane has hit a skyscraper in NYC, and if you look at the evidence, the hole size of the impact, explosion described happening within the building, etc. It is VERY similar to the WTC impacts.

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On the foggy morning of Saturday, July 28, 1945, Lt. Colonel William Smith was piloting a U.S. Army B-25 bomber through New York City. He was on his way to Newark Airport to pick up his commanding officer, but for some reason he showed up over LaGuardia Airport and asked for a weather report. Because of the poor visibility, the LaGuardia tower wanted to him to land, but Smith requested and received permission from the military to continue on to Newark. The last transmission from the LaGuardia tower to the plane was a foreboding warning: "From where I'm sitting, I can't see the top of the Empire State Building."1

Avoiding Skyscrapers
Confronted with dense fog, Smith dropped the bomber low to regain visibility, where he found himself in the middle of Manhattan, surrounded by skyscrapers. At first, the bomber was headed directly for the New York Central Building but at the last minute, Smith was able to bank west and miss it. Unfortunately, this put him in line for another skyscraper. Smith managed to miss several skyscrapers until he was headed for the Empire State Building. At the last minute, Smith tried to get the bomber to climb and twist away, but it was too late.

The Crash
At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.

World War II had caused many to shift to a six-day work week; thus there were many people at work in the Empire State Building that Saturday. The plane crashed into the offices of the War Relief Services of the National Catholic Welfare Conference. Catherine O'Connor described the crash:

The plane exploded within the building. There were five or six seconds - I was tottering on my feet trying to keep my balance - and three-quarters of the office was instantaneously consumed in this sheet of flame. One man was standing inside the flame. I could see him. It was a co-worker, Joe Fountain. His whole body was on fire. I kept calling to him, "Come on, Joe; come on, Joe." He walked out of it.2 Joe Fountain died several days later. Eleven of the office workers were burned to death, some still sitting at their desks, others while trying to run from the flames.
One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The other engine flew into an elevator shaft and landed on an elevator car. The car began to plummet, slowed somewhat by emergency safety devices. Miraculously, when help arrived at the remains of the elevator car in the basement, the two women inside the car were still alive.

Some debris from the crash fell to the streets below, sending pedestrians scurrying for cover, but most fell onto the buildings setbacks at the fifth floor. Still, a bulk of the wreckage remained stuck in the side of the building. After the flames were extinguished and the remains of the victims removed, the rest of the wreckage was removed through the building.

The plane crash killed 14 people (11 office workers and the three crewmen) plus injured 26 others. Though the integrity of the Empire State Building was not affected, the cost of the damage done by the crash was $1 million.