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Old 06-14-2007, 01:13 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
As I stated, Bush has exagerated and has used hyperbole to make his case for war. Other war-time leaders have as well. The difference is I don't think what he said qualifies as a lie. Also, I did not rely on his statements as my reasons to support the war.
His statement, where he used the word 'certain' was incorrect, true or false?
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In my opinion yes. However, my opinion doesn't matter. The issues needs a Supreme Court test.
You believe that in wartime the president should be able to break the law to do what he or she thinks is best? You don't think that creates an unprecedented opportunity for abuse?
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I don't care about the UN. The organization is a waste. When they start addressing real issues like Darfur or take stronger stances against terrorist and nations who support terrorists, genocide, human rights, hunger, aids, malaria, etc., I will reconsider.
It doesn't matter what you think of the UN. It doesn't even matter what people think of the Geneva Conventions or any other legal treaty the US has signed in good faith. They have been signed, and as they do not contradict the Constitution or Bill of Rights, they are US Law. You can hate every member of the UN and think they should all burn in hell for eternity. We signed a treaty with them in the form of a convention.

Let me be clear and reiterate: conventions like the the UN Convention Against Torture are US law because they were signed and do not conflict with the Constitution.
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In regard to the Geneva Convention - as a nation we did not do anything I would not have done personally. If there are penalties for violating the Geneva Convention, so be it.
There are standards of humanity that we aren't sticking to, and to make matter all the worse, torture is completely unreliable as a source of information. I wrote several papers on this while getting my degree in psychology, with verifiable and reliable citations. Besides being morally reprehensible, torture is illegal because it's ineffective for extracting information. It's a joke. It's real purpose is to create fear. Anyone who says otherwise is, quite frankly, a complete idiot with no understanding of how the human mind works... and is just making a bullshit excuse to be cruel.

I've never been tortured, personally, but I can imagine that it is absolutely horrible. I've seen depictions of water-boarding, electrocution, sleep depravation, etc. and they seem to be something only a monster could inflict. If you, ace, are saying that you would torture people, may I just say that I find that attitude inhuman and despicable. I hope I misunderstood your statement.
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Also, to [those] who may have been suprised about my answer of false to your questions, should not be. First, you crafted the questions well, second I have acknowledged many times some of the failings of the administration.
Well thank you?
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