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Originally Posted by willravel
The present is the judge of Bush, and that's more important because you can't stop history. I hope that's clear.
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No it is not. I don't understand how you can give final judgement on a person's on activities without knowing their results.
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Doing what's best for one's country isn't synonymous with morality.
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i agree. The opposit is true as well.
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I don't think it's called second guessing or hindsight if people like me were right about the Iraq war being wrong from the beginning. Yes, fuck Bush, but more importantly, we need to fix that which has been broken. That's what the focus is on, at least speaking for myself. It's about more than constructive debate, it's about honest ideas of positive change. We need ideas ready to be carried out. That's not just what leaders should be doing, but any vigilant citizen who has more than one brain cell.
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I only asked if the rules used with Bush are the same used for other leaders, are they?
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No world leader has been an apologist when they were being attacked because they have nothing to apologize for.
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You lost me here.
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When that world leader is the aggressor, as is the current case, they SHOULD apologize because they're wrong.
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Please be clear. Is being aggressive wrong? Is a preemptive strike wrong? Or, do you look at the circumstances before making that judgement?
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Bush is wrong. Adults are able to recognize a mistake and take steps to fix that mistake.
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People can also fix mistakes without making a public statement about the mistake. Bush has done that many times.
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Bush is staying the course and damning everything because he continues to be stubborn and ignorant. If you think it's a message of weakness to learn from your mistakes and pay for them, then you're not fit to lead anything. Bush must pay for his mistakes not only in the interest of justice, but to slow terrorism. Terrorism is up because of imperial behavior. If we send the emperor to the dungeon and leave their lands, then they will have less reason to attack, and rightfully so.
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bush has made changes to his Iraq strategy. What has not changed is his underlying goal. Again be clear, he has not changes his underlying goal because he believes it to be correct. Reasonable people can disagree on the goal.
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Bush should be in prison for fucking with pre-war intelligence and misleading congress into an illegal war of aggression against a nation that didn't represent any level of threat to the US or our allies. Bush should be in prison for being involved in illegally bypassing the FISA courts because he had no reasonable explanation for tapping the phones of US citizens. Many Bush administration officials should be in prison for everything from allowing torture despite it's being illegal under the Geneva conventions to the leaking of Valarie Plame's name in order to slander her husband for suggesting that pre-war intelligence was wrong (something they were correct about).
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O.k., I get it. Bush is a war criminal. Why not hang him.