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Originally Posted by aceventura3
History will be the judge of Bush.
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The present is the judge of Bush, and that's more important because you can't stop history. I hope that's clear.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I don't think he is a lier or immoral, I think he says and does what he thinks is in the best interest of the nation.
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Doing what's best for one's country isn't synonymous with morality. Think of every great tyrant in history, namely the bigger tyrants of the 20th century.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I am beyond the point of trying to debate the minutia of what Bush said on one day to the next. Hind-sight is 20-20, so we can second guess his decisions and what intelligence he used or did not use, but it seems that the second guessing of Bush has never really been about constructive debate but mostly about bashing Bush.
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I don't think it's called second guessing or hindsight if people like me were right about the Iraq war being wrong from the beginning. Yes, fuck Bush, but more importantly, we need to fix that which has been broken. That's what the focus is on, at least speaking for myself. It's about more than constructive debate, it's about honest ideas of positive change. We need ideas ready to be carried out. That's not just what leaders should be doing, but any vigilant citizen who has more than one brain cell.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Bush has made mistakes. We all know that. But at a time of war, people are upset that he is not an apologist. No world leader during war has been an apologist. The stakes are too high for Bush to send messages of weakness. He is going to be a "cowboy", an arrogant S.O.B., an unyeilding a$$hole. As a world leader during war, he does not have the luxury of being humble. I am not sure some here understand that.
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No world leader has been an apologist when they were being attacked because they have nothing to apologize for. When that world leader is the aggressor, as is the current case, they SHOULD apologize because they're wrong. Bush is wrong. Adults are able to recognize a mistake and take steps to fix that mistake. Bush is staying the course and damning everything because he continues to be stubborn and ignorant. If you think it's a message of weakness to learn from your mistakes and pay for them, then you're not fit to lead anything. Bush must pay for his mistakes not only in the interest of justice, but to slow terrorism. Terrorism is up because of imperial behavior. If we send the emperor to the dungeon and leave their lands, then they will have less reason to attack, and rightfully so.
Bush should be in prison for fucking with pre-war intelligence and misleading congress into an illegal war of aggression against a nation that didn't represent any level of threat to the US or our allies. Bush should be in prison for being involved in illegally bypassing the FISA courts because he had no reasonable explanation for tapping the phones of US citizens. Many Bush administration officials should be in prison for everything from allowing torture despite it's being illegal under the Geneva conventions to the leaking of Valarie Plame's name in order to slander her husband for suggesting that pre-war intelligence was wrong (something they were correct about).