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Originally Posted by host
ace...the challenge for you is that "the beginning" is not "Bush's first speech requesting authorization for war". That is not a specific that you should see a need to explain, from your POV, to maintain the "reasonableness", of your position that Bush "says what he means". To accomplish that, you would have to explain how he could be reliably telling us that he did not "know" Abramoff, or how it could be that he could proclaim, in Oct., 2001 that he had the tools, in the Patriot Act that he was then signing into law, to cope with modern technological innovation for electronic surveillance of "terrorists", only to later use the gap between innovation and the 1978 technology that FISA was written to respond to, as the excuse to circumvent FISA, illegally....
Did Bush "mean what he said" in Oct., 2001, or on Sept. 7, 2006, with regard to justifying warrantless wiretaps?
ace, you make this debate much easier on me than it could be:
...the commonality of your megalomania with Libby's, and Cheney's, and Bush's....aside...
Wouldn't a "reasonable" response from you go something like,
...or:
....then, ace...you could post a conclusion like, ....
....but trying to compare the rhetoric that Churchill used on the day he took office in May, 1940...the same day that Germany was invading France....naw...ace....my example of how you could have tried to post a "reasonable" argument, is a more..
reasonable way for you to try to persuade us...that...you have a resonable POV, when it comes to the idea that Bush "says what he means"!
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Host,
I understand how you and others think Bush is a lier and immoral, all I wonder is - do you use the same standard for all historical leaders?
What about FDR?
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On February 19, 1942, soon after the beginning of World War II, Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066. The evacuation order commenced the round-up of 120,000 Americans of Japanese heritage to one of 10 internment camps—officially called "relocation centers"—in California, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arkansas.
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http://www.factmonster.com/spot/internment1.html
Did he lie to the American people about the threat of American citizens of Japanese origin? Do you give FDR the label of being immoral?
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Last edited by aceventura3; 06-11-2007 at 12:00 PM..
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