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Originally Posted by debaser
687 is the cease-fire agreement that prevented the UN coalition from removing Hussein in 1991. It is absolutely vital to what is going on now, because Iraqs failure to abide by the terms of the ceasefire justifies military action against them.
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That's not how this works. The UN had to rule that they haven't ceased, then everyone votes, then, if it passes, everyone gets to invade. That's not how it happened. The US doesn't just get to say, "No fair, they are breaking the rules!" and then invade. Think back to what was necessary for Desert Storm. I realize I was 8 when it happened, and probably more concerned with Duck Tails, but I've had a chance to look back and study a bit. Also, I love Duck Tails.
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Originally Posted by debaser
1441 was merely a PR stunt, Bush had made up his mind at that point. That being said, the Iraqis still didn't live up to their end of 687.
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Yes, it was a stunt. Yes, the Iraqi's didn't hold to the cease fire....but it's very likely that they destroyed all of their serious weapons over a decade ago. They weren't a threat.
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Originally Posted by debaser
This conflict is very much just a continuation of the Gulf (1991)War.
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The UN said no to invading Iraq in 2002, so that's not true. Powell tried to push an invasion back in Feb of 2003 and then withdrew it when they realized it was going to fail. This was when the security council procedures, the reason the invasion is illegal, went out the window. By ignoring the procedures that are a part of being in the UN, we acted outside of their backing.
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Originally Posted by debaser
Both of these circumstances exist. There was never a formal cessation of hostilities with Iraq, and since they failed to comply with the terms of the ceasefire agreement (passed by the UNSC) then the action taken was authorized by the UN.
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Neither exist. We weren't under attack or under the threat of attack (OBVIOUSLY), and resolution 51 was an armed response of the attack on Kuwait. There was a termination of hostilities, back in 1991, and thus a new resolution was necessary for an invasion to be legal.
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Originally Posted by debaser
Spineless legislative and judicial branches.
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On this we can agree.
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Originally Posted by debaser
The jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and artists might disagree with you on that one.
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Strawman.