View Single Post
Old 06-05-2007, 10:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
ubertuber
spudly
 
ubertuber's Avatar
 
Location: Ellay
I'm not really trying to stake out a position on this yet - I'm taking in all of the current information. I suppose I'm inclined to rely on the court's findings.

My reasons for posting in this thread are merely to add more information to the discussion. Strangely, I'm feeling attacked for doing so.

Are the people I referenced the ones who you feel are specifically aiding and abetting war time treasonous acts?

I'm wondering, for the sake of discussion, if you really mean what you write, or if some of it is hyperbole?

Aiding and abetting are specific terms in law. Generally speaking, once a crime is committed and the perp convicted, you can't really aid or abet them. Similarly, one could argue that we're not at war, since a state of war hasn't been declared. Lastly, treason means something very specific in this country. Did you know that the Constitution specifically restricts the definition of treason?

Quote:
Originally Posted by US CONSITUTION
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
This makes defining this crime (and also Libby's) as treasonous rather problematic. I suppose that if you could convince a court that Bush/Cheney are Enemies of the United States, you could claim that Libby adhered to them. Good luck with that. Of course, there's also the issue that no one has confessed, and I have yet to see that two witnesses to the same act have been produced - which would also be difficult since you can't make someone bear witness against himself.

Did you know that "In the history of the United States there have been fewer than 40 federal prosecutions for treason and even fewer convictions." Not only that, but some of the ones who were convicted were pardoned, by no less a precedent setter than George Washington? I just found that out. (Wikipedia Link)

I'm not defending the actions of whoever disclosed Plame's identity, but I am still a little suspicious of your characterization. I'm sorting it out, and I think that this is a fair position.
__________________
Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

Last edited by ubertuber; 06-05-2007 at 11:02 AM.. Reason: spelling errors
ubertuber is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360