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Old 06-01-2007, 11:55 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by seretogis
I'm hesitant to throw out the "anti-gay card" simply because it should be a last resort when arguing with people who are opposed to same-sex marriage. There are indeed legitimate reasons to oppose gay marriage legislation (mine is to avoid further legislating a social contract -- my solution would be for ALL marriages to become "civil unions" in the eyes of the State), however I can think of none to justify the support of "..ONLY between a man and a woman.." constitutional amendments and the like.
I'm not sure how legalizing same-sex marriage results in a social contract, but I wouldn't define your position as anti-gay. On the other hand, I wouldn't define your position as simply being opposed to same-sex marriage, either. Most people who oppose same-sex marriages aren't calling for all marriages to be redifined as civil unions. They usually want marriage for heterosexual couples and no marriage for same-sex couples. I guess I should rephrase my statement to say, "Believing that same-sex couples don't deserve the same legal status as heterosexual couples is a pretty clear sign of anti-gay sentiments."

People generally don't demand discrimination against a group of people unless they have a problem with that group of people. This applies to everything from the old caste system in India to bans on same-sex marriage to Jim Crow laws to affirmative action.

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Originally Posted by seretogis
Racism isn't racism if it's directed toward white men, it's just payback for hundreds of years of injustice perpetrated by other people who look just like them.

Is that what you're trying to say?
It's okay for some people punished for the actions of others simply because they looked similar? Wow! If that doesn't set up an endless cycle of hostility, I don't know what will! That's bound to stir up resentment from the people being punished for shit they didn't do.

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