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Originally Posted by samcol
Hate crime legislation is about as Orwelian as a law can get.
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Do you know what hate crime is? It's a crime committed against a person or persons motivated by bigotry. For example, a man lynches another man because he's black. Stopping this is Orwellian? Have you even read 1984?
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Originally Posted by samcol
Making murder MORE illegal because the victim is gay or black or another minority class? Why enter subjectivity into a cut and dry crime? While opposing homophobic hate crime legislation may indeed make him homophobic , why do we need more legislation based around a flawed concept anyway?
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We have first and second degree murder. That's a case where one murder is more illegal than another. Maybe you'd like to clump involuntary manslaughter with murder one, that way when someone gets in a sober car accident and accidentally kills a passenger, they can get the electric chair? Saying 'murder is murder' is like saying being able to fly like superman is the same as taking a plane (sorry, I'm watching Heroes). There are murders that are worse, and we already have legislation to protect people from being murdered because of things like race, sex, and creed. The idea that this guy voted against adding homosexuality to the list was motivated because he doesn't agree with hate crime laws doesn't make any sense.
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Originally Posted by samcol
Will, it's like your saying one group is being persecuted so we must persecute all groups to make things fair. That's the road to tyranny imo.
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Persecuting hate criminals is perfectly fair. If you break the law, you must pay for your mistake.
The road to tyranny is subjugation. It's allowing loud voices to control what we think and do, like convincing us that homosexuals are some sort of threat to us.
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
ut if you want the assertion of homophobia to look more like a supported fact and less like a plausible assumption, you've still got some ground to cover.
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- Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
- Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
- Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
- Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
That is a consistent prejudice against homosexuals. Every time an issue of homosexuality has come up, he's voted against homosexuality. A prejudice against a particular group, race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation is called bigotry. What do we call someone who is a bigot against homosexuals? Homophobe.
I rest my case.