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Old 05-25-2007, 08:00 AM   #92 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace.....let me try one more time to penetrate your veil of political fantasy with FACTUAL information that runs counter to your unique, but baseless insights into how the federal government works (or not work, in the case of the Bush administration)
Start with the high level DOJ official who admitted to breaking the Civil Service Act by using political afflilation in the hiring of career employees...


Did she admit it because of immunity? Do you think she was the first in her position to use political affiliation in civil service hiring in Washington?

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Add two other high level DOJ political appointees who resigned under suspicion of lying or withholding information on the firing US attorneys for political reAons....
Seems like a basis for perjury and further investigation into criminal activity. I am looking forward to seeing how Congress responds. Am I still allowed to use the term Congress, or have we adopted some new form of political speak?

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Mix in the director of the GSA who was found to have violated the Hatch Act by being involved (and encouraging or reqiurement other emplyoees) in improper and illegal politcal activities on the job....and numerous other agency heads who were likely involved in the same acts with the complicity of the White House....
Again, clear violations of the law. Given this level of proved criminal activity and as you say likely involvment of the White House (Is your use of White House o.k. in the new political speak?) criminal charges should be brought against someone in the White House, don't you agree?

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Stir in the actions by political appointees at EPA, DOI, NASA and NOAA to improperly influence or withhold research findings by career scientits/researchers for political purposes...
I am sure these are all firsts and unique to the Bush administration. I apologize for suggesting otherwise. That was sarcasim, I can't help it. If your point is there is some corruption in this presidential administration, I can't and don't argue against that point. I only suggest that corruption is a reality in Washington, and will be in the future as it has been in the past. Given my view, you seem to take a very unrealistic position.

I have no interest in going through long lists of illegal or corrupt acts occuring in every presidential administration. I did not have an interest in doing it during Clinton's administration either, my view on corruption and illegal activity is consistent regardless of party. People who break the law should pay a price for that.

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and other high level political appointees in several agencies who took improper and potentially illegal actions against whistleblowers in their agencies for political purposes....
Being a whistleblower takes a special kind of resolve and courage. Even in the face of the law a whistleblower has to know their actions will have an impact on their life. People in power will defend themselves with everything they have, this is a reality. People get hurt. Whistle blowers are not really protected by these laws. The implication of what you write, suggests that you think a whistleblower can blow the whistle and go on as if nothing happened, that is pollianish. I agree, whistleblowers should not have to pay a price, I wish they did not have to, but courage/conviction/resolve comes with a price. We know this has been true since the dawn of recorded history.

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Dribble in Dept of Ed and HHS political appointees who violated the law by giving grant money to several "journalists" to promote the Bush political agenda and pass it off as unbiased news.....
You mean that there are people in the media that are unethical? Do you suggest that money and power can influence? Do you suggest that the Bush team invented this form of political influence? Do you suggest that Democrats would never use money and power to "buy" favorable news? Could this be a reason why I am so cynical?

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and cap it off with Inspector Generals at four separate agencies who are responsble for ensuring their respective agencies compliance with laws and procedures for proper agency administration who themselves are under investigation for illegal, improper or unethical activities.
Sure. Being under investigation is equal to being guilty? Isn't there enough proven stuff? What is the score, how many Bush people have actually been found guilty of crimes?

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(I can supply additional examples if I am not getting through to you yet)
You have not shown how you are not pollyanish.That was the claim I made that seemed to prompt this response. So, it has been sort of a hoot, but...there was corruption and croneyism in Chicago politics and there is corruption and croneyism in Washington politic, always has been and always will be.
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No, ace...it is not pollyanish at all to say this is not how the federal government is supposed to operate..and in FACT, no recent Democratic or Republican administration has acted in such a manner.
This is a cute way to make sure you take no risk in making a point. Yes, the Bush administration is unique as is the corruption surrounding the administration. Every administration has been unique as has been the corruption surrounding those administrations. I am not sure how you measure or compare corruption from one administration to the next, I don't.

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THe Bush crowd is unique in its putting politics above the law and/or the ethical and proper administration of Executive Department agencies.
If true Congress should impeach Bush. They won't, why?

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I know this is hard for you to accept...but I think most objective observers would see that my facts might just be a little more credible than your suppositions that "they all politicize".
Yes, the two or three people who read this can decide. Given, that they hate Bush like you (I bet you wonder how I know that, without posting facts), you can let that further feed your view that the Bush administration is the most corrupt in history.
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