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Originally Posted by jorgelito
i think you guys are misunderstanding my point.
Holocaust denial is highly relevant and critical to understanding the underlying causes of such events. Why live in a bubble? That is selective teaching. I think exposing or introducing Holocaust denial is a very good tool in the classroom. Like discussing the KKK and how it impacts the Civil Rights movement etc.
With ID, it can go in many directions. It is a historical fact that the theory of ID exists and many people believe in it. Perfect set up to contrast with say, the scientifi method. A great illustration to put them side by side using that model. I find it interesting that people are so afraid of ID. A couple of paragraphs or a lecture or two would be a great class.
We still teach that old scientists who thought the earth was the center of the universe and that the world was flat. Should we remove those examples from the textbooks and lesson plans?
Facts are subjective. And that's a fact. Simply because we are always learning and "evolving". It used to be a fact that Pluto was a planet. Now it is not. No problem, we can adapt. No reason to banish that historical fact from the books or to supress that expression. It used to be a fact that Columbus discovered America, but now it's not.
Lots of professors express their opinion in class. The day after 9/11, my astronomy professor went off on Bush. How is that relevant to astronomy? So what if a teacher wants to express his views (including religion)? My anthropology professor ( a Muslim) dared to tell us that not all Muslims were terrorists, they do not represent Islam and that his God does not approve of what they do . Wow, how dare a man of science express a religious opinion in class!!!
I think you guys are not giving us enough credit. I think people can decide for themselves. I feel there is room for discussion and learning and hearing different viewpoints is conducive to that.
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Were on the same page, I think the holocaust denial should be covered, but from a historical accurate view point, from the view point of that it really did happen and there are people for what ever reason that say it didn't. The same is true with ID, it should be covered from the stand point that people believe it and the reasons it is wrong.
I still disagree with the facts... it is a fact that we once believed that Columbus discovered America, it was never a fact that he did, we only thought he did. it is a fact that Pluto used to fit the description of a planet, but they changed the definition of planet so Pluto no longer fits that definition. so it is a fact that Pluto no longer fits the definition of a planet, however, without defining a planet, you can't say it is a fact that Pluto is or isn't a planet. I could say, it is a fact that Pluto is no longer defined as a planet, or that Pluto used to fit the definition of a planet. Fact, just like Theory is misunderstood by most people. A fact is universal and infallible, it is always true and never false, can never be false. facts are mostly in math, 2+2 = 4, that is a fact. the soda can on my desk contains 12 oz of soda (at the time of me writing this)