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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace....you sign your first post here (#13) "Your Resident Cynic" and then you accuse me of calling you a cynic (how cynical/narrow/minded/dumb/etc/etc. you are).
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During the time I have been posting my views on TFP there has often been a focus on me as an individual rather my views and the basis for my views. This has hindered the discussion of those issues. This pattern is consistent with the general tone of political discourse in this country.
I don't take this stuff personal.
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Originally Posted by tecoyah
"Democrats" Most certainly do, Does that make your post any more acceptable as a means of addressing the issue of this thread?
At some level, you actually just solidified my point....Think about it.
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I am not sure I get your point, but if you think the general problem with understanding the point of view of others includes failing on both sides of most issues, I am with you.
Generally, when I discuss an issue I try to let everyone know my bias' up front. I don't appologize for having an opinion when I come to the table. I am unrelenting and I will aggressively challenge the point of view of others. When others percieve this as an attack, I percieve their position as weak or that they lack conviction. I think part of the problem comes down to style. But in most cases people want nice labels to put on everyone. It is suprising how often people will argue points where there is agreement simply because of how they have put the other in a certain category. And of course everyone in that category has the same point of view. You make the point that I attacked Edwards, which I did. We agree. But I think the attack is deserved, perhaps we don't agree on that. But we agree that attacks go both ways. We end up discussing whatever it is we are discussing and nothing of substance regarding the real area where we disagree. Again this is the pattern of political discourse in this country.