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Originally Posted by Rekna
Yes it was proven, the white house came out and said "oops sorry it was an accident". I don't buy their excuse. And if there is nothing wrong with what they did then why not cooperate and come out and say what they did? Why all the smoke and mirrors? Why lie to congress and the public about it?
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You are correct. If they admitted it, there is or was no reason to lie about it. But, my point is more about the information and less about which email system they used. The reasonable person test says it is foolish to email something that you don't want used against you using an email system out of your control. We know that any incriminating emails have been deleted if anyone has a brain in the White House. If I were in Congress my focus would be on other means to prove the case.
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There was many of them where the GOP was calling up the AG trying to get them to do certain things. They refuse and say their isn't a case for it and they end up fired. This is why we have investigations. You seem to believe we should have all the evidence that is needed to convict prior to investigating? Wouldn't that make an investigation pointless and useless?
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Perhaps it is a fine line. But people in authority can easily abuse investigative authority. There should be reasonable cause for an investigation.
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He presented the Niger evidence knowing they were forgeries and were blatantly false. That is lying.
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Not sure sure that is true. I think there was conflicting evidence.
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Either way there should be investigations into it. You don't have a conclusion to an investigation and then try to prove it. You investigate it look at the evidence and draw conclusions. Whoever is responsible for the lies and propaganda should be charged. There is a reason that propaganda is illegal.....
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They should investigate the deaths of every military "hero" then. Just like fishing tales, I am sure almost all have been exagerated.
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I'm referring to both. They both lied and are covering things up. They are not falling for "perjury traps" but instead they are purposefully withholding truth and stating falsehoods. I'm betting that as more things come out Gonzales will be tried for perjury.
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There problem is more about giving too much information. For perjury, there has to be materiality. If they lied I still don't see how it was material.
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Since when does something have to be tested in court to be illegal.... if that were the case nothing would be illegal. How can victims come forward if they don't know they are a victim? How can we know if our rights were infringed if it is all secret? The fact that the DOJ would not sign off on it and they did it anyway is telling.
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Because there is no victim in this and some have the opinion that is not illegal and others have the opinion it is, therefore the issue needs to be tested in the courts.
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See all of the above, and Bushes comment about the constitution being a damned piece of paper...
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Well, they should impeach him.
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Someone allowed the money to get into their hands and that is criminal negligence. There should be hearings on this. Same goes for the way Halliburton has been war profiteering.
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I agree, we should have hearings. I am especially interested in giving Haliburton an opportunity to respond to charges against the company. To me this is more real than the Gonzales matter. If I were in Congress the money trail involving terrorists and the Haliburton scandle would be top priorities to me. The Gonzales matter may lead to his resignation, but he will be replaced by another Bush man.
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Maybe because he couldn't prove the intent. The problem with this law is it requires a proof of intent. Which is almost impossible to do without a confession or some sort of tape/memo/email incriminating the defendant. This is of course impossible to get when the white house claims executive privilege on all the communications.
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Or, the evidence did not support brining charges.
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Alas, it was a satirical joke on the fact that Rove is hated by so many.
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Why do so many hate him?
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Ace you seem to think that investigations are a bad thing.
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I think political grandstanding is a bad thing.
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Those who fear investigations are the ones who have something to hide.
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I bet if the IRS investigated your income and expenses, just fishing they would find a crime. It is not always about hiding something, sometimes it is about abuse of power. I think the IRS should only audit when they have a reasonable reason to do it, blind audits are an intrusion and an abuse of power in my view, as are some of these blind investigations by Congress.
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If the administration can listen to my phone calls, read my emails, ect without a warrant. Then I too should be able to read ALL of their emails and listen to ALL of their conversations, especially when it has been subpoenaed. The investigations are being done because their is evidence that wrong doing may have occurred. This does not mean that it has occurred and if it has not then the investigation should clear them. When someone doesn't cooperate with an investigation it typically means they are guilty and are hiding it. The administration has not cooperated in these very serious investigations and this makes me think they are hiding something........
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I think when we are investigating known terrorists and then those people communicate with you or anyone, that opens you or them up to investigation, do you agree? The Bush administration isn't blindly looking at your emails or phone calls.
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We need to remove the corruption from Washington and what a better place to start than the top?
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I would start with Congress, with term limits.
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Originally Posted by host
Well....I've met my match here, I guess!
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Getting a bit touchy? I bow down to your great ability to post lots and lots and lots and lots of stuff, but why not directly answer some of those silly little questions that come up every now and again.