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Originally Posted by ubertuber
I thought all of Art's posts in this thread were extremely clear.
However, it seems that some people are reading aspects into them that just aren't there.
Part of the issue is that not everyone makes a goal of changing the way other people think. Some are more interested in sharing their thoughts and considering the thoughts of others.
After all, and this is just a way of restating something Art said, how often do you actually see people changing their mind based on "debate, argumentation, or other so-called rational means"?
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Actually, i change my mind a lot in the context of debates, arguments and rational discussions. Perhaps not right away, but sometimes eventually. Often i am wrong and talking with other people who may happen to have a different perspective helps me evaluate my opinions and beliefs. It happens all of the time. There are certain things about the nature of the people involved in the discussion that might serve to limit the discussion's productivity, but really, i don't think it's all that rare outside of the politics board.
I think that the fact that a person believes that people don't change their minds via discussion speaks more about the nature of that person's ability to deal open mindedly with others than the abilities of humanity to adapt to new information presented in the context of discussion.