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what about the apartheid bit with the umkhonto we sizwe / anc in s. africa bit? or if some international coalition actually formed and took darfur seriously? there would assuredly be violence involved in that...but i can't say that i'd really have much of an ethical qualm about it. i can't find myself able to completely renounce violence in anything other than a theoretical sense. i can see renouncing the desire to do violence, but i don't think they are the same thing.
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