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archetypal fool · 05-15-2007, 06:13 AM

@ filtherton

I see what you're saying, but a stronger case can be made against a deterministic universe, where it's assumed that since everything is determined, there isn't any sort of free will at all, or a mechanism which projects the illusion of free will.

But if I understood you correctly, you're saying that since the randomness of the universe is what drives us to do what we do, then we don't really have free will in this scenario either, since we still aren't choosing anything; we're being driven just as if everything were determined, the only difference being that everything isn't.

Now there's something for me to ponder on for a while...

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@OurCrazyModern

I agree. Of course we have a choice of what to do at any given moment. If the universe were really determined, then really, how could someone blame anyone for any crime they might commit? After all, it was their role in the universe to commit that crime, and they were already guilty before committing it. I don't want to live in such a bleak and hopeless world.

05-15-2007, 06:13 AM	#33 (permalink)
archetypal fool Crazy Location: Florida	@ filtherton I see what you're saying, but a stronger case can be made against a deterministic universe, where it's assumed that since everything is determined, there isn't any sort of free will at all, or a mechanism which projects the illusion of free will. But if I understood you correctly, you're saying that since the randomness of the universe is what drives us to do what we do, then we don't really have free will in this scenario either, since we still aren't choosing anything; we're being driven just as if everything were determined, the only difference being that everything isn't. Now there's something for me to ponder on for a while.... @OurCrazyModern I agree. Of course we have a choice of what to do at any given moment. If the universe were really determined, then really, how could someone blame anyone for any crime they might commit? After all, it was their role in the universe to commit that crime, and they were already guilty before committing it. I don't want to live in such a bleak and hopeless world. __________________ I have my own particular sorrows, loves, delights; and you have yours. But sorrow, gladness, yearning, hope, love, belong to all of us, in all times and in all places. Music is the only means whereby we feel these emotions in their universality. ~H.A. Overstreet Last edited by archetypal fool; 05-15-2007 at 06:18 AM..