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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
3 weeks ago people thought it would be 'absurd' to think that a student could protect themselves with a gun on campus .....now we know differently, don't we?
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The only reason you have let the thread drift from anti-mexican near-racism into VA Tech is that you have no proof or statistics or complicated logic to prove that you are not paranoid. The brain has an area called self-defence mechanism and the more people that say this thread is paranoia, the more you will say that you are right. The fact that you mentioned 9/11 also points to your instability of staying on topic. But since you probably need a clue by four. Here ya go...
1. VA Tech was caused by there not being a link between the judge declaring a young man insane and then not allowing that young man to purchase weapons or bullets. Period. Ronald Reagan gutted the budget for the insane assylums and therapy for those poor people and the large homeless and disturbed walking around today are due to Reagan's stupid choices. Yes, the young man at VA Tech was bullied for over a decade, but that does not justify his killing people. Anyway, a sensible logical approach would be to offer students training on how to non-lethally disarm a man with a gun with martial arts. Even making the classroom doors lockable and give teachers and janitors keys, would be sensible. Also adding an intercom system for the admin staff to use in an emergency would be logical. Arming all kids on campus who wish to be is not logical knowing how hormonal boys and girls are at that age. More bullets being fired from even more guns and from more angles means more friendly fire and deaths. You should have learned that in the military. I suspect that you might be carrying over knowledge, war instincts, and good combat paranoia into the private sector where many people who disagree with you live in safe homes and communities. Another option to use before arming college students with guns, would be to let the students be able to carry stun guns, mace, or tazers instead of guns. Heck, even rubber bullets would be fine to have teachers carry if they got proper training. But the fact that you jumped first to arming the college kids with the choice of real bullets proves you are a knee jerk gun paranoid in my book.
2. 9/11 was caused by two things. Corporate greed of airlines who told the pilots that they did not need strong door into the cockpit. The pilots asked for the doors for years and weight and cost was the issue and the doors would have stopped 9/11. Also Bush got the memo that 9/11 was going to happen and did nothing about terrorists taking pilot classes. Bush should be impeached for that and shipped away to Saudi Arabia with his oil friends. Bush did not read the memo or act on it because in his first term, he went on vacation more than any other president in history.
3. There are thousands of peaceful americans who own ranches in mexico and none of them are getting lots of gunfire and being chased off of their land. This has drug purchase/dealing gone bad written all over it. You wanna stop gun fights on the border of mexico ? Legalize drugs, get the gov to regulate them just like alcohol, and tobacco. As someone who supports choice so much, I am sure you agree with me. Or do you ?
4. I used to work at a gun range in wa state. We had wheel chair ramps everywhere. Because it was required by law ? Nope, the range has had them for decades before the laws required them. The ramps are for the "safe" gun users who accidentally shoot each other (like Cheney VP did) and you can bet Cheney was drunk at the time. We might not know what really happened out there for a few more years or maybe if someone who was there finally tells all. But Cheny was purposefully not tested for alcohol levels and most hunting accidents are kept well hidden. Many wheel chair stories were told to me during the 3 years I worked there. Many "cleaning gun" stories where the cleaner dropped the gun and it went off and they shot themselves in the leg. Seeing a man with a fake leg was a daily sighting on the days I worked. One guy had a war wound and he had a flag on his fake leg. His type was a rare sight. There was even a woman in a wheelchair who was shot by a fellow hunter as she was "making noise in the brush like a deer". So you go ahead and keep guns all you want, and you can shoot yourself accidentally some day or you might shoot your friend like Cheney did, but I will avoid places with lots of gun owners and avoid the forest areas during hunting season. I have purchased my non-lethal forms of home protection and have been trained in non-lethal martial arts. If Texas is that bad, then sorry it has gotten that way.
Jonathan