Let's look at what you ARE saying then:
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Let me state for the record one last time, just for consistency's sake, that my problem with what Imus said has nothing to do with the racial overtones. This is at least the 4th time I've stated that my problem with Imus arose because he was critisizing amatuer athletes for their appearance after they'd come up just short. I find that incredibly cruel and demeaning. The color of their skin and texture of their hair is irrelevant, IMO.
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So Imus needed to lose his job because he said something incredibly cruel and demenaing in YOUR opinion.
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That said, I still don't see why this qualifies as hate speech. I agree with Sharpton that Romney's camp is making a mountain out of a molehill. He's not calling for Christians not to vote for a Mormon - he's just saying that Christians won't vote for a Mormon. Given that there's never been a Mormon that's run for President before (at least as a major candidate), he could be right on the money. It's an entirely different thing if he said that all Christians, Catholic and Protestants alike, need to stand together to defeat the evil Mormon empire, but he presented it as something that's going to happen with or without his help. How is that hateful when all he's done is predict what others are going to do in the election?
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No, he is NOT just saying Christians will not vote for Romney.... He originally said
those that really believe in God will defeat him anyway,
insinuating that
1) Mormons do not believe in God
2) that because of 1 he doesn't deserve to be elected..... NOT one mention of what Romney's platform is or that he his platform is wrong.... just his religion.... That is prejudicial and hateful, especially coming from a supposed CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER.... now, again, if Pat Robertson said that or a RELIGIOUS LEADER said that, it could be seen perhaps differently....
BUT again.... Al Sharpton is a self appointed CIVIL RIGHTS leader who supposedly by the sheer title means he is supposed to expect equal rights for ALL.
(I also believe had this been someone stating something negative about Obama or Hilary's religious beliefs and how they wouldn't be elected because of them.... the Left would be demanding appologies.)
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Is it hateful if I say that David Duke won't get elected to the Presidency because he's a proud KKK member? No, it's pretty much an accurate prediction. How about if I say that Al Sharpton couldn't get elected dogcatcher in Will County, IL because of the huge white Republican precence there? Nope, still pretty much accurate. Nothing in the line in question disparaged the LDS Church or Mormonism. How can you have hate speach without any hate?
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So telling a whole denomination that they don't believe in God... that's not hateful..... ok then.
Plus there is a difference between you and Al Sharpton..... Al sharpton is a self proclaimed and has made his fame and fortune NOT as a minister to God but as a CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER.
So because a poll on a forum states that 52% won't vote for a Mormon it's ok to trash his religious beliefs and insinuate he doesn't believe in God?????
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So Pan are the TFP members who voted "no" biased or hateful?
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I can't judge whether they are biased or not, it's not my job.... if someone wants to discriminate and not vote for someone simply because of religion that is their right.... just as it is their right to say they won't.... However, if you are a CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER who expects to be taken seriously and who starts demanding people lose their jobs because you deem what they say as being hateful.... then if you say something hateful about someone, you should face the same consequences and judgement.
As for having to do with a "conservative agenda"..... that is laughable... I am more liberal than most on this board. I am one of the few who proudly state I am a democrat, I am also maybe the only one here (only one I know of at least) who is forthright and has stated I plan to vote for Edwards and I support his campaign 100%. Sooooo how do i fit into this "conservative agenda"??????
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I expect that has more to do with the conservative agenda that a Mormon almost always brings to the table rather than over half of TFP being anti-Mormon.
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Exactly what is Romney's platform? What is he conservative about, what is he liberal about? Where does the Mormon church stand on issues?????
And while that statement may or may not be true.... that is far from saying
those that really believe in God will defeat him anyway,
And again, my whole argument is not about what either Imus or Sharpton said.... it is about the right to say it and if 1 person is not allowed to say something because someone deemed it "cruel and demeaning" then the person censoring and yelling about it, best not say anything themself that someone can deem "cruel and demeaning" because I expect and I believe that if you lambaste and destroy the first, you need to lambaste and destroy the second or you were full of shit and had your own agenda or jumped on a bandwagon or whatever.... and you have no true sincerity in protecting people's feelings.... you are just pushing forth an agenda whether you realize it or not.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with what Imus said or with what Sharpton said... and I feel they both had the right to say whatever they want... I don't have to agree with it or listen to it. However, I firmly believe if you go after one you need to go after both or you have no credibility in my eyes. But then again that's just in my eyes.... what others want to believe is up to them.
I have a feeling more people will see Sharpton for what he is because of this and I believe he will feel some heat and rightfully so.