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Old 05-10-2007, 01:08 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
You're not the only one who's confused.

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It appears that with all of his education, Obama can't count to ten (or twelve, depending on which report you read). No problem though--ask any believer in Affirmative Action.

Too bad someone didn't remind him to say that Bush killed the other 9,990.
Marv....I'm not too clear about what constitutes "Affirmative" Action....

Is this an example of Affirmative Action.... the SCOTUS determined (and ordered...) in 1955 that public schools act with "reasonable speed" to provide access to education without regard to any student's race or ethnicity, and....two full years later, Gov. Orval Faubus of Arkansas responded to the attempts of nine students of a race that he was prejudiced against....and wanted to keep separated from students of race[s] that he favored.....the attempts of the nine students to attend a high school, by ordering Arkansas's national guard troops to prevent entry to the high school, of the nine students:
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http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/h...9_0294_ZS.html
U.S. Supreme Court
BROWN v. BOARD OF EDUCATION, 349 U.S. 294 (1955)
349 U.S. 294

BROWN ET AL. v. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF TOPEKA ET AL.
APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF KANSAS.

* No. 1. Reargued on the question of relief April 11-14, 1955. Opinion and judgments announced May 31, 1955.

1. Racial discrimination in public education is unconstitutional, 347 U.S. 483, 497, and all provisions of federal, state or local law requiring or permitting such discrimination must yield to this principle. P. 298.

2. The judgments below (except that in the Delaware case) are reversed and the cases are remanded to the District Courts to take such proceedings and enter such orders and decrees consistent with this opinion as are necessary and proper to admit the parties to these cases to public schools on a racially nondiscriminatory basis with all deliberate speed. P. 301.

(a) School authorities have the primary responsibility for elucidating, assessing and solving the varied local school problems which may require solution in fully implementing the governing constitutional principles. P. 299.

(b) Courts will have to consider whether the action of school authorities constitutes good faith implementation of the governing constitutional principles. P. 299.....

....(g) While giving weight to these public and private considerations, the courts will require that the defendants make a prompt and reasonable start toward full compliance with the ruling of this Court. P. 300.....
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Was the 1957 decision of POTUS Eisenhower to enforce the SCOTUS ruling and negate the unlawful orders of Gov. Orval Faubus, by sending US Army troops to protect the nine students of the "other" race, and deliver them safely....every school day for that year, into that high school, "Affirmative" Action, in your opinion, Marv.....

....or..... is this an example of Affirmative Action?......in 1973, a graduate of a prestigious Ivy league university, only a "C" student, gains admission to one of the premier MBA programs, in the country, at another Ivy league university, as other candidates with better undergraduate grades than the "C" student, are denied admission, and it appears likely that the admitted student was favored because his father, a former congressman, was US Ambassador to the UN, and his grandfather was a former US senator from the neighboring state, and other close relatives had also attended the admitting Ivy league university....

or.....is this an example....a few years later, a young man with an undergraduate degree from yet another Ivy League college, applied and was accepted, apparently on the strength of his grades and aptitude, with the possibility that his status as a member of a minority race was also a positive consideration, into one of the top Ivy league university law schools in the US. This student was elected editor of the most prestigious law school law review in the US, and graduated from the school, magna cum laude....an example of "Affirmative" Action?

Are any of my three examples, what you describe as "Affirmative Action", Marv? Are they all examples? Which one(s) do you think are positive examples? Which ones do you disagree with, or view as unfair or unnecessary?

I found the middle example....the one where the graduate with only average grades, but all the advantages and connections that being a member of a prominent, politically connected, wealthy family, can predictably bring an applicant for just about any opportunity.....a "leg up", over even better qualified, but "networkless" applicants, particularly objectionable.... How 'bout you?

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