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Originally Posted by aceventura3
My desire is to come to a clear understanding of what Bush and Cheney lied about.
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Originally Posted by Cheney, Vice Presidential Debate, 10/5/04
I have not suggested there’s a connection between Iraq and 9/11.
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To which I respond with Cheney's own words:
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Originally Posted by Cheney, NBC, "Meet The Press," 9/14/03, emphasis added
If we’re successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it’s not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it’s not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.
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The President and Vice President repeatedly tied Iraq to 9/11 and lied about it.
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Originally Posted by Cheney, Vice Presidential Debate, 10/5/04
One of the great by-products, for example, of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan is that five days after we captured Saddam Hussein, Moammar Gadhafi in Libya came forward and announced that he was going to surrender all of his nuclear materials to the United States, which he has done.
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Lybia approached the US in March 2003. Cheney lied in order to make the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq seem successful in stopping global terrorism.
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Originally Posted by Cheney, Vice Presidential Debate, 10/5/04
"We’ve never let up on Osama bin Laden from day one."
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I think we all know that's bullshit. We initially had tens of thousands of troops tracking down Osama Bin Laden in 2001 and 2002, and most of those troops were sent to Iraq in 2003. By 2004, when Cheney was in the debate, fewer than 10,000 troops were involved in the hunt for Bin Laden, whereas 100,000 troops were sent into Iraq.
I'm sure you've already read from what I've posted how Cheney saying he's cut all financial ties with Halbiruton is a big fat lie. Not only that but there is evidence suggesting that he was involved in awarding contracts to Haliburton.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
i don't know will, leaving the ethics out of it...if we simply wanted to know sadaam's guy off the totem pole and put some pretty well fortified military bases on iraqi soil...i'm not so sure that our pnac administration didn't accomplish precisely the minimum and main thing they wanted / felt they needed to accomplish. i think a lot of the other things were not thought to be immediate future objectives by the serious planners of this. i think it was to mainly get our foot in the door, wearing an ironshod boot. we're there. we're not leaving. i don't care if we pull our troops back to reduced levels, we're going to be there. we've got proximity to many big suppliers of oil, and we can respond militarily from close quarters if and when shit breaks down over there.
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Oh absolutely, but that was one of the fundamental flaws: we don't have the troops. It's becoming clear now that Giuliani and McCain have very little chance of overcoming Obama, Clinton or Edwards, all of whom have spoken clearly about troop withdrawals. I'd be willing to bet that if Obama or Edwards win, we might see the disassembly of the military bases in Iraq. I see UN peace keepers or an international force of some kind trying to clean up the mess, but there's no way that the US will continue to be in there along for more than a few years.