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Originally Posted by shakran
but crap like the stereotype that men don't show emotions while women are emotional fountains I would guess can almost certainly be traced to social influences.
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I'm not saying that it's one way or the other. I'm just suggesting that automatically attributing to socialization is irresponsible.
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In the first place, the results of a "scientific study" conducted by as unethical a whack job as Dr. Money should be taken with a rather large grain of salt. Secondly, you'll note that the parents raised David/Brenda/Bruce as a boy for 1.5 years before switching him to a girl - we cannot know how that influenced his development.
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Yes, Dr. Money was a whack job. Are you suggesting that raising him as a boy for 1.5 years somehow damaged his successful gender transition to a woman? His attempts to change someone's sexual identity failed miserably.
What about boys with 5-alpha reductase deficiency or CAH girls with male-typical cognitive abilities? Or research on non-human animal sexuality? Or the massive evidence across many areas of human psychology.
Note: I'm not suggesting that socialization doesn't occur. What I'm suggesting is that we can't simply attribute something to nature or nurture without proper investigation.
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How? Unless one of those twins is raised completely gender neutral or as the opposite gender, you can't.
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Behavior genetics studies can tell us a lot about sexual identity without raising twins as a gender opposite their genetic sex. I don't feel up to writing a long post about BG methodologies, but if you want some reading suggestions I can offer them.
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This is rather like saying "If I do the right thing to lead it will become gold and therefore .. . " without telling us what you have to do to the lead.
OK, you have strong inference. What experiment do you intend to conduct?
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My point was in response to your statement that we needed to screw with someone's childhood in order to tease apart innateness/socialization arguments of sexual identity. We don't need to screw with anyone's childhood to examine the arguments any more than we need to watch evolution happen in a test tube to validate evolutionary theory. I'm not proposing any particular study. If I was, I wouldn't post it here.