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Originally Posted by dc_dux
The question of a voting delegate in the House is NOT clearly unconstitutional. Many constitutial scholars on both ends of the political spectrum refer to the "seat of government" clause as giving Congress the power:
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True - there was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I blame it on the media, people like Rosie O'donnel. They encourage an irrational tone. But I do think the step taken by congress here is wrong and purely for political gain.
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The bill also adds a seat to Utah - a presumed R seat to balance a presumed D seat so how is it partisan or for a political gain rather than to give ME something approaching the same rights YOU have.
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First - giving the seat in Utah has nothing to do with giving people in DC representation, in essence proving the issue is purely a strategic political move.
Second - The issue of DC statehood has been around for a long time. I see this as an attempted step in that direction. If DC had a Republican base a Democratic Congress would not have done this, again proving my point that it is less about representation and more about maintaining control.
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I recall the Repub co-sponsor of the bill saying at one time that the reason for the bill, rather than another attempt at a Constitutional amendment (which failed in the past) is because there are many still state legislators, particularly in red states, who make it racial (like you) and equate it with a "black vote" rather than a prvilege of citizenship that should be extended to all citizens.
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I am not affraid to call it like I see it. We can pretend that Democrats don't have a lock on the "black community", and pretend that they don't want to keep it, and pretend that this issue doesn't help the cause, or we can put it on the table and discuss it.
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How about the 8 Clinton judicial nominees who were never given a hearing by the Repubs....8 lifetime judges vs 1 beaurocrat for 2 years...I would suggest the Repubs got the best of this exchange.
But you're right. They should have had a hearing, then voted him down in committee because his goal is not to protect and ensure the credible administration of SS , but to dismantle the current system.
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The system is broken and needs to be fixed. Democrats, in my opinion, want to avoid debate on the issue. Bush did a recess appointment, so he is in anyway.
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Rep. David Hobson (R-OH) was also on that trip. But in an interview published in the WaPo, he states that he never received any of the attacks that were thrown at Pelosi:“Before we left, we met with the State Department people and nobody told us not to go,” Hobson said, adding that none of his Republican colleagues broached the subject, either. “Nobody ever called me to say, ‘Why are you going to Syria with those people?’“
Hobson has also defended Pelosi against his colleagues’ attacks, noting that she “did not engage in any bashing of Bush in any meeting I was in and she did not in any meeting I was in bash the policies as it relates to Syria.” The Repub attaks of Pelosi and not Hobson or the group of Repubs who went to Syria one month earlier (do you think their trip was "purely political" or just Pelosi's) is about as hypocritical and ugly partisanship as anything I have seen recently.
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The hole thing was political nad served no purpose other than the White House and Pelosi trying to upstage each other. Pelosi was sending a political message to her supporters, Bush was sending a political message to his (and to ME countries and our enemies), Syria and others had their political agendas as well.
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ace...I would still ask...what is your test for reasonable and responsible oversight?
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Oversight is fundementally about people protecting that which is in their best interest. It becomes irresponsible when it is dishonest in my view.
Like him or not Bush says what he wants or what he wants to do and does it. Others often say one thing and mean or want another thing.
A perfect example is the DC issue. Democrats are not looking out for your right to vote, they are looking out for their ability to control more votes in Congress. Giving the issue thought-it is clear that one seat in DC will translate to more political power than one seat in Utah. And one House seat in DC is one step closer to two senate seats, which will be Democratic.