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Old 04-23-2007, 09:54 PM   #24 (permalink)
Jetée
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Originally Posted by MexicanOnABike
"here's 500$. get a hotel room. take a shower, shave, get clean, Buy a suit and get a job. If i see you on the street again, I'm going to kill you."
Heh-heh. Thank you MOAB for so eloquently stating an alternative to just "giving away" your hard-earned money to a beggar on the street. Not very pleased that you were first to state this, because I, too, had this idea in mind.

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Originally Posted by Carno
Honestly, I really don't understand how someone can just fork over their money mindlessly. Sure, the beggars may be less fortunate than you are, but are you really improving their situation by giving them money so that they can buy booze? Or are you just enabling them to stay beggars? If they can get what they want without doing any real work, why should they bother to do any real work or become a productive member of society? I sure as hell am not going to perpetuate beggary by giving away my loot.
This idea that MOAB and I would put into action would most definitely solve the problem of perpetuating the problem of beggary, by actually "enabling" said beggar/homeless person to once-again become a productive member of society. If they should somehow, falter, however, or not even try to readjust his/her current deplorable situation and resort back to begging on the streets, then I would curse them for wasting my time, money, and emotional involvement into trying to help them.

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Originally Posted by willravel
If you're unfortunate enough to be homeless some day, I'll buy you dinner.
Why just stop at buying them dinner? It would make more sense to teach them how to cook a decent dinner and then pay them for cooking it, than to offer them dinner whenever you so happen to feel generous. This is perhaps, another "enabler" for these beggars to stay beggars. Some may just rely on the good-natured aid of their fellow citizens, but then take advantage of the situation. They do this not by making requests, but by continuing "in-action" on their part. And that may be just as bad as not even glancing in their direction in the first place.

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Originally Posted by pigglet
it all depends on my current frame of mind and the attitude of the day. i used to give a lot more often than i do now; these days, it really depends on how i'm feeling. i don't put them all into the "get a job you fucker" category nor do i put them all into the "poor disadvantaged soul" category. i treat them as individuals.
It shouldn't be a question of whether you feel like helping out the less advantaged when it suits you, but it is an issue of morality. It would be the right thing to help them, but to offer them food or few bucks is not in all reality helping their situation much. What needs to be done, is yes, perhaps, getting to know them, their situation, and then figure out a reasonable solution that will permanently keep them off the streets. If I need to invest a couple hundred dollars and weeks of my time, I want to be absolutely sure that they do not revert back to their "beggar days".
Cause I will go off!

So if you feel like giving a beggar a few extra dollars, go right ahead. But that would be the quick-and-easy solution for both of you. The lazy solution.
But if you feel like taking charge and actually want this 'disadvantaged soul' to benefit from your money, make sure it is a worthwhile investment that will result in a sense of satisfaction on behalf of the both of you.
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