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Originally Posted by filtherton
Yakk, i don't think you can use human created models of reality to debunk the notion of determinism - the claim can always easily be made that any perceived randomness is the result of uninformed observation.
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Yes, you can create a model that doesn't have any predictive value. You can even be Xiangsu, and take a model with zero predictive value -- that makes zero claims about which experiences you will have, and which you will not -- and pretend it has consequences about how you should think and how you should act.
But I discard useless models. Well, I keep them around, to see if they will have any use.
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I also don't understand what you mean when you say that the free will model works better than the deterministic model when modelling human behavior. Works better for what?
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Produces a better fit, explains more with less complexity. The free will model, that each human is an actor whose actions you cannot predict.