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Originally Posted by sapiens
Like braisler, I don't really understand this sentiment. If I am going to work with them in the future, then I will pay for that service at the time the service is rendered, not before. Why would I pay more up front so that they will be nice to me later? Does that mean that if I don't overpay them up front, then I can expect bad service? If so, I don't consider that peace of mind. If so, I don't want to give my money to that business. If I buy a particular brand of car, I can get under warranty service at any dealer.
I agree whole-heartedly.
Two-faced friends at the dealership? I never expect to make friends at the dealership - two-faced or otherwise.
I think the appropriate mindset of a buyer should be that sellers are liars. (Similar to pocon1's statement about seller mindset : "Buyers are liars.") I do not trust anything that a salesperson tells me. That said, I treat them with respect, and I expect the same from them.
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In truth, neither party can trust the other since the days of morals are out the window. The dealer (seller) expects you to be cheap in whatever way possible and the buyer expects the dealer (seller) rob them. It's basically a war of the one that wants to make the most money vs the one that wants to pay the least money and nobody is playing by any rules because you all know if you could get the dealer to pay you to buy the car you'd leave with no negative feeling morality wise nor would the dealer if they made a good size profit off of you. Really it's sad times and it's even sadder for honest people to try to work in such a society because they have cons trying to con them whether they are a buyer or a seller.
I'm still waiting to see buyers try to negotiate other prices on new things like cloths, groceries, oil changes, car washes, homes (brand new). I mean there is alot of mark up that you can try to get marked down so why stop with "car dealers make too much profit off me" and start working the negotiation elsewhere. I'm sure everyone here thinks tow trucks charge too much so surely that's one to start with...