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Old 04-07-2007, 04:09 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
There's a small, but not insignificant, problem with this statement: the man had not previously committed a felony. That's the whole point. Driving under the influence, in most states - and in the state in question - is not a felony. And, as the mayor stated, they check citizenship when a felony is committed, not otherwise. It would be terribly expensive to check citizenship for every single crime committed, and I would certainly hope no one would propose checking citizenship only for every single crime committed by a latino. So, we're left having to have a cut-off point. In that state, it is to check citizenship when a felony is committed, which it wasn't the first time he got a DUI. Not only do the mayor and governor understand this, the parents of both the victims do as well. That fact goes against the "broken heart, not xenophobia" argument as well. Neither of the people who did lose a loved one are wondering "why wasn't he deported the first time?"

If this man had killed someone once before and then killed again, then the outrage over him not being deported the first time would be completely valid. However, that's not the case. He was simply caught driving under the influence once before - a misdemeanor - and then got in the fatal accident the second time, killing two people. What was done was exactly what should have been done: when he committed the misdemeanor, his citizenship was not checked because it is simply not productive to check the citizenship of every single person that goes through the police department, but when he committed the felony, his citizenship was checked and he was caught.
Ah, I see. I didn't realize that DUI/DWI is only a misdemeanor in some states. I was under the impression that over the years, with all the increases of penalties, zero tolerance laws, decreasing the BAC, laws created for refusal of breath, blood, urine test, et. al. that the crime was actually a felony. Heck it is a felony to assault a NYC bus driver.

For the state of NY in which I live:
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V&T Law §§1192 & 1193(1)(c)
impaired offenses: 1st offense is a traffic infraction, 2nd and subsequent offenses are misdemeanors.
per se offenses: 1st offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd offense within 10 years is a class E felony, 3rd offense within 10 years is a class D felony
and the rest of the Tri-State which has supposedly has reciprocity of driving records:
NJ
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State v Hamm 577 A.2d 1259 (NJ 1990)
drunk driving is not a "crime"
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In State v. Hamm, 577 A.2d 1259 (N.J. 1990), the defendant was charged with his third driving while intoxicated (DWI) offense. The possible penalties for a third DWI offense in New Jersey included 180 days incarceration, a$1,000 fine, 10-year driver’s license suspension, and up to 90 days of community service. Although the latter penalties could have been imposed in addition to the 180-day incarceration period, the court concluded that the legislature had not so "’packed’[the DWI] offense with onerous penalties"as to clearly reflect a legislative determination that DWI is a serious offense requiring a jury trial. Hamm, supra, 577 A.2d at 1267.
CT
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§§14-227a(h), 53a-25 & 53a-26
1st and 2nd offenses are misdemeanors, 3rd and subsequent offenses are felonies
For the state of Virginia where this happened:
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§§18.2-10(f), 18.2-11(a) & 18.2-270
1st offense and 2nd offenses within 10 years are class 1 misdemeanors, 3rd offense within 10 years is a class 6 felony.
Seems like to me that zero tolerance means more like "We give you one free pass, then it's zero tolerance..."

Criminal Status of State Drunk Driving Laws

So in this sitation I understand completely why it is what it is.
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