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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
I'm sorry but that only works for those who fall under the umbrella of the law. US Citizens fall under that, not illegal aliens. I cannot go to another and expect to be civilly disobedient to change their laws. I'm sure that ALL nationalities would like to make getting into and working the the US safer.
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Do you understand the concept of civil disobedience? You break the law peacefully in order to bring about change. That means no one who acts in civil disobedience is under he umbrella of the law. You're just splitting hairs because this is a law you seem to like. If it were a sit in to end segregation, I'm sure you'd be behind it.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Please provide something to show that evidence. I'll already state that correlation does not imply causation.
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Do you have any friends that work in the INS, FBI, or police forces on the boarder of Mexico? It's easy to sit at your computer and assume that correlation doesn't imply causation, but the fact of the matter is that any border cop, be they on the US or Mexico side, will corroborate my conclusions. Why don't you give them a call?
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
I guess you've not been to the Philippines, where those same things happen as well. Did you know that Filipinos come to the US legally sent home more than $10.7 billion in 2005, equal to about 12% of the gross domestic product[?] Has it changed the fact that there are millions of people still living in squalor and uneducated? Crime is still high, [morbidity] rates are also quite high. There are other issues for their impact on society, but as you can see below they have organized their government to make it easier to [immigrate] to any country. I don't see the Mexican government doing that at all. Yet a country thousands of miles away gears up and gets people going overseas legally.
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I don't see the al Quaeda and other illegal organizations that resort to terrorism operating in Mexico, I do in the Philippines. I see drug lords, but they get a shitload more money from the US than they do from Mexico.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
so that fact that NAFTA created jobs for these impoverished groups doesn't mean anything. In your opinion they all need to come live in the United States.
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What jobs? NAFTA destroyed hundreds of thousands of agricultural jobs in Mexico. The influx of imports from incorporated agricultural companies from the US ruined corn prices and clear subsidies to the tune of $10.1 billion.
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this out for more info (pdf from oxfam).