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Originally Posted by pigglet
pan,
i don't want to get sidetracked too much on this, as will stated i have a lot of respect for you and i know you're a good guy, so to speak. but what about the posts concerning flying a blahblah flag and sitting on an american one? or not assimilating into our culture, but forcing us to accomodate them? i guess i just see america as a place where you don't have to assimilate. that's your right. you can speak in any language you want to. shit, make one up. that's your right as well. if you want to form an enclave and sit around and speak in piglatin and use clothing made of american flag, or toilet paper with american flags printed on it; while i may not like it or want to be part of it, you can do it. that's why america is so great. or at least my concept of america. that's the part where i see the xenophobia.
the part, strictly separated, about illegal immigrants, i see as just being overly simplified. yes, they're breaking the law. but i just can't bring myself to blame every single one of them, on that basis alone. you're right, they are definitely involved in illegal conduct, which is why i, back in post blabidyblahblah, brought up traffic violations. its not just breaking the law that's pissing you off, it some violation of the concept of "america" and laws that preserve "america." i mean, fuck look at your sig: imagine all the people living in peace. love is the answer. to extend love towards these people means seeing them as humans with real life situations. if they're caught, sure send 'em back if you want to. but that doesn't mean i have to be happy about it, or that i think that our current laws reflect reality.
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I have personally seen ILLEGALS do that (as well as legals). Is it all of them? No.
I do believe that you come into this country you need to assimilate with our society not expect us to assimilate to you. I am not saying you need to give up your beliefs and become "American".
I am simply statiing you do not come into my house and make demands from me. I will respect you and help you but if you come in making demands that I change my house to suit your needs.... my respect ends and my bitterness and anger will get the best of me.
And I will firmly admit I am prejudiced against the ILLEGALS and legals that come demanding we change our language, we cater to them and so on. But it is a vast majority ILLEGAL that do this (by vast majority I mean of the immigrants demanding we change to suit them... not the vast majority of ILLEGALS).
You can love someone, but if they slap you in the face (which I consider ILLEGAL immigration to be) and continue to slap you, you turn the cheek so many times and then you just turn your back on the person doing the slapping and show them the respect they are showing you... so that they may learn and realize they made their own bed.
If you have a child or sibling and they keep stealing your property and making demands on you, no matter how much you love them you eventually will say enough and do some tough love until they learn respect. Has nothing to do with sex, color, religion, ethnicity, etc....
I still have issues with how I am the bad guy for stating my beliefs and offering to change with the laws.... while others continue to talk about how they are humans but by condoning the ILLEGAL you condone the trucks with poor ventilation, the shit waged job with substandard working conditions, the rafts that turn over and people drowning.
By sheer association you say you approve of the above, by not demanding change, by not making it harder for them to come here until laws change, by allowing the employers to hire these workers.
I'm sorry, I see the end result of ILLEGAL immigration as the above and it doesn't seem very humane or loving to me.