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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Are you implying then that illegals coming in are "protesting" or "civil disobedience" to change things? That's the implication I read from your statement above.
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Whether they know it or not, that's what they're doing. The idea behind civil disobedience would be that people don't obey the laws they don't believe in to change the law. I'm sure that Mexicans would like to make getting in to and working in the US safer.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Fatality and crime rates tripling???? I'm sorry did you just pull that number outta your ass?
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I've calmed down. It's your turn. No, I didn't pull that number out of my ass. Statistics show that every time the INS has tightened down across the board, crime rates have shot up close to the border on the Mexican side.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Because that also implies that crime rates would DECREASE here if Illegals did not exist within our borders. And again, why is it my problem? There are enough problems here WITHIN America to fix before I worry about somewhere else. There are enough poor Americans that need our help before helping someone who is here illegally, or even back at their homeland before they come here.
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I'm afraid your assumption about the implications of my guesswork would be flawed. Imagine this: a family, out of work and starving, needs to get across the border into the US in order to work. Imagine there are a thousand of these families. Imagine they all try to cross the boarder with their belongings over the time span of a week. Now imagine that there is no more immigration anymore. Suddenly you have an influx of poor families into small border communities. They are desperate, and they make good prey from former coyotes who now find themselves out of work. Not only that but the families are now starving and need to start stealing themselves in order to eat. It's a damn dangerous situation.
The alternative is that many of the families make it to the US and get work. Once they have work, they have some security. They're not likely to need to steal to eat if they can afford food. They also send a little home, which keeps their family in Mexico more safe and less likely to need to turn to crime.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Have you seen the effect of NAFTA on industries? I've seen it first hand. I've seen 3rd and 4th generation garment manufacturer owners, close their business because it competed against cheaper labor pools. People who employed 150-300 people having to either invest in moving their company into NAFTA zones outside of the US borders. Some had to uproot or split the family to live outside of US borders. Into countries and areas that have high crime rates.
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NAFTA is just another way for the US government to give a free ride to US corporations to move in to Central America and exploit them freely. I'd like to see NAFTA destroyed. The free trade thing only works when corporations can be held responsible for their actions. If they can't, then free trade is a weapon.