I also fail to see how the legal or illegal status of immigrants, specifically from mexico, will do jack shit about the increase in spanish-speaking united states citizens / dwellers, the parading of other cultures flags or celebrations, the change of "traditional" american culture. certainly at present, the two issues are linked. however, if all the laws were changed so that
will and
pan could go skipping down the street singing duets of mixed english/spanish lyrics, all the issues with people speaking spanish (or whatever other language) still remain.
secondly, i'm not going to exhaustively review and cite from the thread, but come on
pan, lets not play the 'i'm so innocent, where is all this coming from?' card here bro. you made some pretty strong statements, amongst them the shoot on site statement, and some people said "hmmm...that certainly sounds
xenophobic to me and might border on some racism" and all of a sudden you're pulling this big-eyed "all you people calling me a xenophobic nazi pigfucking KKK loving babyeating dragon!!" shit so people would back down from some of the claims / questions. no one here called you explicitly racist, but it was either stated or implied that you might have some xenophobic tendencies on this one. maybe no one else will, but i'll stand by that part of the claim. and its not just you, as
roach pointed out, its the position and the logic behind it.
as far as the side discussion with
cyn and
will, i'll save the homeless for another thread, but as far as legal immigrants looking down on illegal immigrants, i would tend to think that would also be something that would need to be evaluated on individual merit, no? i mean, i can understand where you're coming from
cyn, but shit it seems like you've just got a dried up compassion well. on some of these issues it seems you seem to implicitly take the position that your shit doesn't stink. i know you state that you know it does, but i think you're assuming that all people who illegally have migrated here have been in the same situation that your family was; both in terms of living situation as well as proximity to the states or other large industrialized nation. am i missing something? that just seems rather 1-dimensional on these types of political discussions.