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Old 04-05-2007, 09:42 PM   #169 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Pan....the problem with your scenario is that most Americans only agree with two thirds of it...fine those who hire them and tighen the borders. According to most polls, an overwhelming majority believe in provding a path to citizenship for those already here.

The rest of your latest comments are a bit too emotional for any futher response.

The BEST solution I have seen is the new bi-partisan "Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy (STRIVE) Act" introduced in the House last month (better than last year's bills).

It provides for comprehensive border security, more funding and support for state/local law enforcement across the country to get the real criminals (gang members, drug dealers, money launderers...) among the illegals, a new employment verification program, guest worker program for jobs,primarily agricultural (with the jobs first offered to citizens but the workforce needs not met)... and most of all..

A two-step process towards EARNED LEGALIZATION FOR QUALIFIED, HARDWORKING INDIVIDUALS:
THe first step is to request Conditional Nonimmigrant Status that would last for 6 years, while the person would go to the "back of the line" for permanent status. :

To qualify, the illegal immigrant must:
* Establish continuous presence in the U.S. on or before June 1, 2006;
* Attest to employment in the U.S. before June 1, 2006 and employment since that date (and submit related documentation);
* Complete criminal and security background checks; and
* Pay a $500 fine plus necessary application fees (fine exemption for children).

Then after 6 years and waiting in line, they can apply for Earned Citizenship:
* Meet employment requirements during the six-year period immediately preceding the application for adjustment;
* Pay a $1,500 fine plus application fees;
* Complete criminal and security background checks;
* Establish registration under the selective service (if applicable);
* Meet English and civic requirements;
* Undergo a medical examination;
* Pay all taxes;
and
* Meet a “Legal Reentry” requirement during the six-year period in conditional nonimmigrant status
This is in line with what a majortiy of Americans want. More from the Republican co-sponsor from the border state of Ariz (link)

Good post, but like I said, until the laws change, illegals are still illegals.

And people seem to miss the point where I stated illegals having to get into trucks with little or no ventilation, paying people to bring them and not knowing if they will truly make it....

That's really humane and supporting ILLEGALS supports that humane life and the parasites that feast off the people that feel they have no choice but to pay that price.

ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL..... change the laws and then see who is still against immigration before you wrongly accuse people of racism, neo-nazistic, KKK, white supremicist behaviors or beliefs.

As for Lennon.... good point, Ms. Mixed.... But Lennon and Jesus also taught and lived that you shouldn't break laws, you should protest and change laws before you break them.

Protest the laws, change the laws but don't break the laws or condone or turn your back on those breaking them.

(I'm sure someone will still bring into the fold petty traffic laws.... yes speeding through a city or school zone should be punished doing 70 in a 65 on the highway is called survival in some cases and comparing it to illegal immigration is idiotic.)


PS: RB my previous post was not addressed to you, it was addressed to the attacks in general.... if you read over the entire thread, those names and labels were tossed around quite liberally.
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