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Originally Posted by jorgelito
Archetype, I appreciate your humanity but I feel you are making en error in arguing for a moral angle. Obviously all these people are coming here for a better life. But your story is just an attempt to play on emotions and only serves to cloud the issue. I'm sorry that guy died in Iraq but what does this have to do with this thread? If I don't support the war in Iraq then why would I be grateful to Guttierez? He didn't die for us? Please, not in our name. Does this make me xenophobic, racist now? Does this mean all the people against the war are also anti immigrant xenophobic racist because they don't support the war?
Why do you keep saying us? Who are you identifying with? Do you mean you as an American or something else?
You say "get rid of this division of me and them" yet you choose to create a division by using "us" when you say "your view of us" then go back to saying "our country". What do you mean by us? Us Mexicans? Us illegals? Us Americans?
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My post was meant specifically for Post, because he has a skewed opinion about us, us being illegal (or formally so) immigrants. And I was trying to get him to realize that we are humans. Those who come he legally, they do so because they can. They are able to wait for the chance. If you can wait in such a situation, then immigrating legally isn't an issue. Not everyone can, though. That's what I'm trying to point out.
I mentioned Gutierrez because I'm trying to prove a point I've already tried to prove before: Yes, it's illegal, but that doesn't automatically make the person less-than human at all. You may not agree with the war (and I don't, neither does 70% of America), but that doesn't make my point any less valid. He may not have died in your name, but he did defending the country that gave him freedom and an opportunity to make something out of himself. He died defending what you and I and everyone else here loves about this country.
(by the way, it doesn't make you xenophobic/racist to not agree with this war. I don't understand where that connection came into play)
Don't ever disregard morality. If something is illegal, it isn't automatically immoral. The law and morality don't run hand in hand down a dewy meadow.
I can understand why you may feel threatened by this one particular law being broken, but what I can't understand is why you refuse to acknowledge the situation and have a little empathy, but rather just dismiss it all and condemn those come here illegally.