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Originally Posted by jorgelito
I think part of the problem is that roachboy, Mixedmedia et al (besides insulting us) fail to understand our point and quickly reduce our viewpoint to a one-dimensional "they are hate filled raciast vitriolic fascist etc etc blah blah" instead of the basic argument and premise that we have laid out and keep laying out which is the issue of legality. That's it. Plain and simple.
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I don't think it has presented as matter of legality, plain and simple, jorgelito. This started as a discussion on bilingual education and assimilation. Obviously, the matter is about more than legality. It is about a clash of cultures. I'm truly sorry if I insulted you, but knowing what we all know about where these sorts of clashes have drifted in the past, I don't think it's out of the realm of polite discussion to bring it up. If you don't see any racism or xenophobia on this thread but you see it among the various Hispanic subsets, then I think you're experiencing a little bit of an ideological blind spot when it comes to this issue.
I agree, there needs to be drastic changes in immigration law so that people who want to come here can do so easier. A LOT of Americans would disagree with that. But some people don't feel they have the time to wait. Some people are desperate. You don't walk out of your house with just enough possessions to fill a duffel bag and walk to another country or pay your last peso to a guy who stuffs you in the back of a suffocating trailer to drive you there if you are not
desperate. Have you ever felt desperate? I have. And at these times you are not thinking,
let me walk downtown and stand in line so someone else can, maybe, years from now help me. You take matters into your own hands and
help yourself. Yes, taking the "moral view" clouds your thinking when it comes to situations like these. As it should. It is the classic line of demarcation between liberal and conservative thought...ironically. And ignoring the "moral view" can often take us to a place where we find it rational to shoot these people as they are trying to cross the border.